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Beware of someone who has "double seared" confusion. If we're going to discuss semantics and tense, I think you should bring back Clinton: It depends on the meaning of the word "Nixon."

Motives abound on all sides. Are you saying that Kerry's opponents have political motives, but Kerry himself was just confused? Was it just a coincidence that his confusion supported his political agenda? Good luck with that debate strategy.

Not sure what you mean about deflect. I was responding to a VC post on Swift Boat veterans.

Oh, and take a look at this. Deja vu all over again...

http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/oldtricks.php

Wow. This is vintage bad debate strategy. Let's not address the point at hand, TOF. Deflect. Deflect.

Nevermind that Kerry WASN'T saying that Nixon was president on Xmas '68 rather that Nixon would say that there were no troops there a few scant months later. As for Kerry not being in Cambodia at the time, let's not start a debate regarding state of confusion. Your boy would lose that one pretty quickly. I, for one, have a hard time remembering where I was yesterday let alone 35 years ago. He was in the sh*t. It wasn't Cambodia. Sorry.

So, back the relevant point -- W. refuses to condemn baseless attack ads and says they have nothing to do with them. Retort? I didn't think so.

Nice try but, all "I" said was that Kerry lied about his military service to gain political advantage. If I'm wrong, show me where.

Don't be evasive, just lie about it.

As ever, you're well-schooled in the GOP party line. "Kerry brought this on himself by talking about his war record." Sh-yeah. Like we're supposed to ignore Bush's Viet Nam-era service because he doesn't dare to mention it?

More important, Kerry's having mentioned it doesn't give anyone the right to lie or dissemble regarding his record. In the context of a "Swift Boat Veterans" commercial, the statement "I served with John Kerry" is blatantly designed to convince gullible viewers that the speaker was in the boat on the day in question. Read that NY Times chart for more glaring inaccuracies. Then Kerry defends himself, and your boy's press puppy says the Senator "lost his cool."

People are smarter than conservatives think. They can smell desperation, and that's exactly what this is all about. Bush has NOTHING positive on which to run. No foreign successes, only tragedy. No economic successes, only stagnation at best. No health care successes, only sops to big Pharma disguised as elder-care benefits. No ideas. No clue. No future.

Glad to see you're comfortable with the knowledge that you're responsible for putting that dim, lying SOB in the White House and apparently are quite content to do so again, despite the horror of his first administration. But don't expect the rest of us to go quietly if he's around another four years. Gawd willing, he'll be back in Crawford come January.

Make that "Gore with Medals."

Here are two quotes from Kerry:

"I remember Christmas of 1968, sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese and the Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and the president of the United States telling the American people I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared -- seared -- in me."

"On more than one occasion, I, like Martin Sheen in Apocalypse Now, took my patrol boat into Cambodia. In fact, I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."

I think it has been established that, despite this memory being "seared -- seared" (double seared!!) into Kerry, he wasn't in Cambodia at the time and Nixon wasn't even President.

Conclusion: Kerry will lie about his military career to gain political advantage ... Clinton with medals. If he's going to run on his Vietnam experience then it's fair game.

A double irony if the Iraq war helps Bush and Vietnam hurts Kerry.

I recommend a little more research on John O'Neill.