[FPSPACE] Details of DPRK satellite

Thu Mar 29 04:50:04 EDT 2012

Do you have the date of the French satellite launch from Algeria's Hammaguir?

   & we're all looking forward to Australia launching satellites AGAIN from Woomera!

- Keith

>>> On 2012/03/29 at 10:24 AM, in message <SNT131-W291CB37AE082A94A870B75D8480 at phx.gbl>, Tiros SpaceInformation <tirosspace at hotmail.com> wrote:

Wow......

I think Phillip Clark is playing semantics with the word 'launcher nation' as a cheap alternative to 'space nation'.

The fact that we used a 'gift' launcher, Wresat was a fully Australian constructed satellite launched from Australian soil - I believe that classifies us a space nation. 

I believe we generally consider the UK as a space nation even though they launched from Australian soil - Woomera. True, they used their own launcher (Black Arrow) with a one out of four lqaunches placing a satellite into orbit (the others were one sub-orbital and two failures).   

In fact, if you use the definition of 'launching a satellite from your own soil', that makes us the third nation to launch a satellite from our own soil. The French launched an earlier satellite from Hammaguir but that was already Algerian territory at that time, whereas Italy launched one earlier from San Marco a metal platform in the Indian ocean that cannot be called 'soil'. By the way, the Italians also used a gift launcher for that.

I know I opened (once again) a pandora's box, but I like to play with semantics as well.

Jos Heyman
Perth, Australia  
> From: phillipclark at btinternet.com
> To: fpspace at friends-partners.org
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 06:54:08 +0100
> Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Details of DPRK satellite
> 
> So long as the KSLV-1 uses a Russian-built first stage, I do not believe 
> that we can classify South Korea as a "launcher nation".
> 
> To me, the parallel is the launch of Australia's WRESAT which used a United 
> States Redstone and an Australian upper stage and which was successfully 
> launched from Woomera. No-one has ever claimed that this made Australia a 
> "launcher nation".
> 
> When South Korea has a wholly South Korean launch vehicle then it can join 
> the "club".
> 
> Phillip Clark
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jens Kieffer-Olsen" <dstdba at post4.tele.dk>
> To: <fpspace at www.friends-partners.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 2:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Details of DPRK satellite
> 
> 
> >
> > That puts into perspective the 2009 article on the
> > Korea Space Launch Vehicle-1 and its 100 kg payload
> > http://www.physorg.com/news169892750.html :
> >
> > A successful launch would make South Korea the tenth country
> > to put a satellite into orbit using its own rocket.
> >
> > Seoul has invested 502.5 billion won (419 million dollars) and
> > much national pride in the 33-metre (108-foot) rocket, whose
> > second stage was built by local engineers.
> >
> > Seoul also built the 100-kilogram (220-pound) scientific research
> > satellite atop the rocket at the Naro Space Centre at Goheung,
> > 475 kilometres (300 miles) south of Seoul.
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > Washington, concerned about a possible arms race in Northeast Asia,
> > has however sought to restrict South Korea's missile development.
> >
> > A 2001 accord with the United States bars Seoul from developing
> > missiles with a range of more than 300 kilometres (187 miles).
> >
> > Science ministry officials have denied Seoul is using Russian
> > technology because Washington refused to transfer the necessary
> > know-how.
> >
> > --
> > Jens Kieffer-Olsen
> > Slagelse, Denmark
> >
> > [FPSPACE] Details of DPRK satellite
> > Morris Jones morrisjones at hotmail.com
> > Wed Mar 28 20:16:55 EDT 2012
> >
> >>From the Chosun Ilbo.
> > North Korea on Wednesday revealed details of a satellite it says
> > it is preparing to launch into space next month.An unnamed official
> > was quoted by the official KCNA news agency as saying that the
> > satellite, which is to be carried into orbit by a rocket, weighs
> > 100 kg and has a lifespan of two years. It is equipped with a camera
> > enabling it to send back pictures and other observational data, the
> > official claimed.Experts say a proper working satellite would weigh
> > 500 kg and have a lifespan of at least five years. A satellite expert
> > at a state-run research institute here analyzed the comments and said,
> > "A satellite weighing 100 kg would be an experimental satellite
> > equivalent to the Uribyeol 2 and 3 we launched in the 1990s, but with
> > that claim North Korea has practically admitted that the rocket being
> > launched does not aim to put a working satellite into orbit. Such
> > a small satellite could be mounted along with the payload of
> > a rocket being launched by another country. There is no reason to
> > build an expensive launch vehicle for it."He said this shows the
> > North "is really only interested in testing the launch vehicle
> > rather than putting a satellite into orbit."
> >
> >
> >
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