[FPSPACE] condolences on Phobos-Grunt

[Paolo Ulivi]

I think they anded up taking dust in some museum or storage facility.
at one point they proposed flying them as a US Discovery mission
http://cdsads.u-strasbg.fr/abs/1993LPI....24.1381S

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 6:53 PM, LARRY KLAES <ljk4 at msn.com> wrote:

> In 1991 I read that the Soviets had two fully built and ready to go
> Veneras. They were even offering them for sale at just a couple million
> dollars each! Does anyone know whatever happened to them? Larry ----------
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paolo Ulivi **
> Sent: 11/11/2011 5:20:57 PM
> To: Anatoly Zak **
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> Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] condolences on Phobos-Grunt
> I remember a similar proposal on the old Lavochkin's website in the late
> 90s...
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Anatoly Zak <agzak at optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Obviously, nobody paid attention, but 10 years ago, when Phobos-Grunt was
>> still on paper, I reported about IKI-proposed small-size, cheap Mars
>> orbiter, which could test flight control systems and so on:
>>
>> http://www.russianspaceweb.com/spacecraft_planetary_mars.html#rockot
>>
>> :(
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/11/11 11:30 AM, "Paolo Ulivi" <pao.ulivi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hopefully someone will recognize that the space official who said a
>> > few months back that Roskosmos was spending too big a share of his
>> > budget on manned spaceflight and too little on applications and
>> > science was right...
>> > I suggest that if Russia wants to continue with planetary exploration,
>> > they should restart learning the business with simpler missions...
>> >
>> > 2011/11/11, LARRY KLAES <ljk4 at msn.com>:
>> >> Will this affect Russia's plans to send a new Venera to Venus? What
>> kind of
>> >> rocket is being used? Not only is a deep space probe being lost, but
>> also a
>> >> collection of little critters aboard the craft designed to see if life
>> forms
>> >> could survive a three-year interplanetary journey. Larry ----------
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>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Anatoly Zak
>> >> Sent: 11/11/2011 3:54:42 PM
>> >> To: Untitled
>> >> Subject: [FPSPACE] FW: condolences on Phobos-Grunt
>> >> Yes, but all involved knew what was going to happen to Phobos-Grunt,
>> so we
>> >> had several years to prepare Shuttle for a rescue mission. :)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 11/11/11 10:19 AM, "Christopher Gorski" <cpgorski at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Sadly, even if they did have the hardware, there's no way they could
>> turn a
>> >> launch around in time.
>> >>
>> >> In general I do like Anatoly's joke--or is it more of a "ha ha, only
>> >> serious"?  Even if it was available right now it'd never be launchable
>> in
>> >> time, and it's 30 years old and in a well-needed retirement,
>> >>
>> >>
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