[FPSPACE] another question about the N-1 launches

Sun Jul 5 19:14:47 EDT 2009

Dear All,

I have the maps notations done on my map of the cosmodrome based on erts
imagery as annotated by Antipov years ago and yes 6L did go outside the
nominal launch azimuth inclination during launch. The other three
essentially had the same ground track even though they failed at different
points in the flight path in different ways.

This to me is like some one saying I am right and what is mine is mine and
what is yours is mine also which is more than ridiculous but frankly a
little bit loss of perspective from my view point. This is not a contest of
wills but trying to understand the missing data to the extent possible
please.

There are things Antipov can not answer although he knows the answers as he
has told me directly because they are now secret once again and that is
that. Through all the years of communications with Antipov I have found him
to be an outstanding conscientious exceptionally accurate person historian
of his people's history deserving of real honors. That huge collection of
pictures he has could make a huge contribution to a real book on the Soviet
manned lunar effort including the imagery of the cosmonaut's efforts.

Equally I fear that the Mishin diaries will never be published in Russia in
spite of my and MAI's efforts as opposed to NASA's effort that Asif is
apparently attempting. They are however missing seven books that is the MAI
addition to it that I also have the copies of all roughly translated but
proprietary. Yes I have written permission to publish parts of it when I
can.

That and other issues is why I asked what I did to start the discussion
several days ago. That is also why I said what I did in my response to Ed.

I wish the novosti site stuff were available in English but work does not
permit me to take the time to work that issue and I don't  know the
computeres I need to know but what little I have been able to sample is
outstanding and not to be ignored.

I do wonder if he could comment on the following chart properly translated
based on the open publications I have reviewed as noted. However I do not
believe he will be able to comment because of the new secrecy issues on this
stuff. I have the documentation but not written up with no time to do it and
this summarizes it. I would have to say it surprised me from what I had
expected. I have the mass data to analyze it precisely but no time right
now. This is both strategic rocket forces data and Mishin diaries inputs
received where mishin directly makes it clear that it is an LOK instrument
module not a Zond instrument module. That really makes it a heavy Zond as
Phillip Clark quoted. Also people under Mishin data who worked on 5L on the
pad directly are equally reveling that has been recently published. None of
the four N1 flown payloads were identical to the others each was different
confirmed from the strategic rocket forces data stating that none of the
payloads were of the same configuration that is not classified. This is as
good as it gets with some info proprietary inputs on the spacecraft
operations observed back then by the US as obtained through multiple persons
interviews. I frankly do not care what people think of the data below it is
the bottom line but subject to change if real data can be produced to
clarify none of which I have seen. I have the real documentation data to
back it up. I will finish writing it up when time permits along with five
other papers..

N1 Flight Test Hardware Configuration 

C Charles P. Vick 2009 All Rights Reserved
July 3, 2009
working document

Test flight

LV

Blok-G

Blok-D

Unmanned LK

LOK

Zond+

DOK

SAS

3L

Lunar orbit mission

70.56 metric tons low earth orbit

N1-L1S

Blok-G

TLI stage

Blok-D

 LOI 

TEI stage

Unmanned LK mock-up instrumented mass model   

No

Unmanned Zond +

DOK 

7K-L1S

SAS

5L

Lunar orbit mission

 72-75 metric tons to low earth orbit

N1-L3S

Blok-G

TLI stage

Blok-D

LOI  & powered descent stage separation maneuver from LK test flight article

Unmanned LK full size 'hybrid' fully

Instrumented mock-up mass model Functional in many details electronically.
Partial RCS fueled. It was not fully loaded with propellant no life support
system or scientific packages and not ready to fly manned.

Unmanned LOK, 

7K-L3S, TEI capable 'hybrid'

Configured in 7K-L1S design with

 Zond descent module with LOK computer with forward Zond cone & DOK. LOK
Rear PAO  instrument  module (Probably  with solar panels, extra batteries
with no fuel cells)

No 

SAS

6L

highly elliptical Earth orbit mission

72-75 metric tons to low earth orbit

N1-L3

Blok-G

Blok-D

Unmanned "hybrid" LK mock-up Instrumented mass model

Unmanned functional model 

7K-LOK LOK PAO with extra batteries no fuel cells

No

SAS

None functional

7L- 

all systems up test vehicle

Full lunar mission demonstration

90-92 metric tons potential 95 metric tons to low earth orbit

N1-L3

Blok-G

Blok-D

Unmanned LK Functional in all details 

Unmanned Fully functional 7K-LOK

No

SAS

8L- 

Full systems up test vehicle

Full lunar mission demonstration

92-95 metric tons to low earth orbit

N1-L3

Blok-G

TLI stage

Blok-D

LOI & powered descent stage

Functional in all details Unmanned LK

[-automatic sample return to lunar orbit capability considered technically
questionable but perhaps

conceivable?]

Unmanned Fully functional 7K-LOK

No

SAS

None of the N1 payload flown was like the others flown.
working document

Sincerely,

Charles P. Vick

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