[FPSPACE] Fw: [lunar-update] Indian scientists detect signs of life on Moon -(Really? LRK)
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Indian scientists detect signs of life on Moon - (Really? LRK)
Chandrayaan-1 spacecraft, finishing its mission at our Moon, sends a
last bit of information from the probe
mass spectrometer on board the Indian payload near the south pole,
"Carbon, Carbon, I sense Carbon."
What could it mean, what could it mean? Could there be, or have been,
life on the Moon? What say you?
- LRK -
Indian scientists detect signs of life on Moon
Bhargavi Kerur / DNA - Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:48 IST
Bangalore: Scientists at the Indian Space Research Organisation (Isro)
are on the brink of a path-breaking discovery. They may have found
signs of life in some form or the other on the Moon.
They believe so because scientific instruments on India's first
unmanned lunar mission, Chandrayaan-1, picked up signatures of organic
matter on parts of the Moon's surface, Surendra Pal, associate
director, Isro Satellite Centre (Isac), said at the international
radar symposium here on Friday.
Organic matter consists of organic compounds, which consists of carbon
-- the building block of life.
It indicates the formation of life or decay of a once-living matter.
Pal said the signatures were relayed back to the Bylalu deep space
network station near Bangalore by the mass spectrometer on board the
Indian payload, the moon impact probe (MIP), on November 14, 2008.
The relay of data happened moments before it crashed near the Moon's
south pole. The MIP was the first experiment of the Chandrayaan-1
mission, which was launched on October 22, 2008.
Some forum discussion about the statement of possible signs of/for
life on the Moon.
- LRK -
Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum
Did you see the movie, or read the book "The Andromeda Strain"?
I was on an airplane bound for Thailand while reading this "Top
Secret" book and reports of slain animals were in the news. :-)
- LRK -
The Andromeda Strain (1969), by Michael Crichton, is a techno-thriller
novel documenting the efforts of a team of scientists investigating a
deadly extraterrestrial microorganism that rapidly and fatally clots
human blood while, in other people, inducing insanity that mostly
ended in the insane people committing suicide or murder-suicide. It
became a New York Times Bestseller. This novel established Michael
Crichton as a best-selling genre author.
We have dust from space hitting us all the time, as would the Moon.
Then there are meteors with hydrocarbons which may have struck the Moon as well.
- LRK -
NASA Identifies Carbon-rich Molecules in Meteors as the 'Origin of Life'
Tons, perhaps tens of tons, of carbon molecules in dust particles and
meteorites fall on Earth daily. Meteorites are especially valuable to
astronomers because they provide relatively big chunks of carbon
molecules that are easily analyzed in the laboratory. In the past few
years, researchers have noticed that most meteorite carbon are
molecules called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), which are
very stable compounds and are survivors.
PAHs are the most common carbon-rich compound in the universe. They
are found in everything from distant galaxies to charbroiled
hamburgers and engine soot. When they are first formed, or found in
space, their structures resemble pieces of chicken wire, fused
six-sided rings. However, when found in meteorites, these aromatic
rings are carrying extra hydrogen or oxygen.
Scientists at NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif.
performed laboratory experiments that explain the process by which
these meteoritic hydrocarbons attract the extra hydrogen and oxygen.
They are very similar to the molecules identified as evidence of alien
microbes in an earlier Science paper (McKay et al 1996).
"Our findings are important because it is the first time anybody
explained these carbon-rich molecules found in meteorites. They are
similar to the molecules that make-up living things," said Max
Bernstein, a space scientist at NASA Ames.
As it happened, their findings were judged significant enough to be
award-winning. Published in Science (1999) by Bernstein and fellow
NASA Ames scientists Scott Sanford and Louis Allamandola, their paper
won the 2008 H. Julian Allen Award at NASA Ames Research Center.
And of course you can talk about rocks that may have come from Mars
and might show there had been life there.
Makes for much discussion, and helped along with "Follow The Water",
has us with missions to the Red Planet.
- LRK -
Meteorite Yields Evidence of Primitive Life on Early Mars
A NASA research team of scientists at the Johnson Space Center (JSC),
Houston, TX, and at Stanford University, Palo Alto, CA, has found
evidence that strongly suggests primitive life may have existed on
Mars more than 3.6 billion years ago.
The NASA-funded team found the first organic molecules thought to be
of Martian origin; several mineral features characteristic of
biological activity; and possible microscopic fossils of primitive,
bacteria-like organisms inside of an ancient Martian rock that fell to
Earth as a meteorite. This array of indirect evidence of past life
will be reported in the August 16 issue of the journal Science,
presenting the investigation to the scientific community at large for
The two-year investigation was co-led by JSC planetary scientists Dr.
David McKay, Dr. Everett Gibson and Kathie Thomas-Keprta of
Lockheed-Martin, with the major collaboration of a Stanford team
headed by Professor of Chemistry Dr. Richard Zare, as well as six
other NASA and university research partners.
"There is not any one finding that leads us to believe that this is
evidence of past life on Mars. Rather, it is a combination of many
things that we have found," McKay said. "They include Stanford's
detection of an apparently unique pattern of organic molecules, carbon
compounds that are the basis of life. We also found several unusual
mineral phases that are known products of primitive microscopic
organisms on Earth. Structures that could be microsopic fossils seem
to support all of this. The relationship of all of these things in
terms of location - within a few hundred thousandths of an inch of one
another - is the most compelling evidence."
So I guess a question might be, will the present USA administration,
find life on the Moon or at least put some there?
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The Astrophysics & Astrochemistry Laboratory
The Astrophysics and Astrochemistry Laboratory is located in the Space
Sciences and Astrophysics Branch (SSA) of the Space Science and
Astrobiology Division at NASA's Ames Research Center, in Mountain
View, California. This laboratory supports NASA's space science
missions and programs. We study the physical and chemical properties
of interstellar, cometary, asteroidal, planetary and lunar materials.
Among the materials studied are interstellar polycyclic aromatic
hydrocarbons (PAHs, the largest carbon molecules in space), aerosols
in planetary atmospheres, ice mantles on interstellar grains and
surface ices on comets and on solar system planets, and laboratory
samples of actual extraterrestrial materials (meteorites and cosmic
dust). Extraterrestrial material analogs are produced in our
laboratory under conditions realistically close to space environments
and range from molecules and ions in gas-phase interstellar clouds and
planetary atmospheres to interstellar, cometary, and planetary ices
and dust. The materials are studied using analytical techniques such
as photonic spectroscopy, time-of-flight mass spectrometry and gas
Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) are chemical compounds that
consist of fused aromatic rings and do not contain heteroatoms or
carry substituents. PAHs occur in oil, coal, and tar deposits, and
are produced as byproducts of fuel burning (whether fossil fuel or
biomass). As a pollutant, they are of concern because some compounds
have been identified as carcinogenic, mutagenic, and teratogenic. PAHs
are also found in foods. Studies have shown that most food intake of
PAHs comes from cereals, oils and fats. Smaller intakes come from
vegetables and cooked meats.
They are also found in the interstellar medium, in comets, and in
meteorites and are a candidate molecule to act as a basis for the
earliest forms of life. In graphene the PAH motif is extended to large
Sooooh, if the aliens are coming - as green slime - in a refrigerator
or in a comet what did they find here?
That meat can think. - LRK -
THEY'RE MADE OUT OF MEAT
"They're made out of meat."
"Meat. They're made out of meat."
"There's no doubt about it. We picked up several from different parts
of the planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, and probed them all
the way through. They're completely meat."
"That's impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the stars?"
They Are Made Out Of Meat
They're Made Out of Meat
they're made out of meat
WHAT THE MIND CAN CONCEIVE, AND BELIEVE, IT WILL ACHIEVE - LRK
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