[FPSPACE] Edgar Mitchell provides further commentary

[Peter Pesavento]

I am providing this further news item as it is topical, current and is an
interview with an astronaut.

 

Edgar Mitchell has had another interview, this time with the Discovery
Channel.

 

He makes further statements about UFOs.  I don't make any claims as to the
accuracy of anything that Mitchell says.

 

http://dsc.discovery.com/space/qa/alien-ufo-edgar-mitchell.html

 

below is an excerpt of the more salient points.

 

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IK: Well first of all thanks very much for making a little time. I wanted to
ask you if there was anything about the radio interview you did that was
different from what you've said in the past.

EM: No, there's nothing different. Several of (the reports of the interview
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1037471/Apollo-14-astronaut-
claims-aliens-HAVE-contact--covered-60-years.html> ) that I've seen come
around have some flaws in them. Some of the reports pushed it or spun it
incorrectly. NASA had nothing to do with anything I've done. I wasn't
briefed by NASA. There haven't been any sightings as a result of my flight
service there, so if that part of it comes out on anything you've seen it is
just totally wrong.

IK: Yes, I did want to clarify that.

EM: My major knowledge comes from what I call the old-timers, people who
were at Roswell and subsequent who wanted to clear the things up and tell
somebody credible even though they were under severe threats and things --
this was back in the Roswell days. Having gone to the moon and being a local
citizen out in the Roswell area some of them thought I would be a safe
choice to tell their story to, which they did. Even though the government
put real clamps on everybody, it got out anyhow.

Subsequent to that, I did take my story to the Pentagon -- not NASA, but the
Pentagon -- and asked for a meeting with the Intelligence Committee of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff and got it. And told them my story and what I know and
eventually had that confirmed by the admiral that I spoke with, that indeed
what I was saying was true.

IK: You mean what had been told to you was true?

EM: Yup, in other words. There was a UFO crash
<http://science.howstuffworks.com/ufo-reports.htm> . There was an alien
spacecraft. This gentleman tried his damndest to get me in and like so many
others in the administration over the last 60 years, since JFK's time, was
unable to. He was told 'Admiral, you don't have a need to know, and
therefore go get lost,' essentially.

IK: Have you ever come out and said who this person was who briefed you?

EM: No, I have not.

IK: Would you at some point?

EM: No, it is out and around but I don't feel like I have the liberty to do
that.

IK: When did you have your meeting at the Pentagon?

EM: It was in the late '90s in Washington when I was there working with The
Disclosure Project <http://www.disclosureproject.org/> , trying to get all
those opened up with another Naval officer by the name of Will Miller and
Steven Greer, who you probably heard of. Steven and I don't really work on
this anymore together, but we did at that point and getting to the Pentagon
and seeing what we could do there to try to get this opened up.

IK: Why do you think the government hasn't acknowledged that there is life
outside of Earth? I thought that was sort of the point of NASA.

EM: Well most people in government don't know. The government is highly
compartmentalized. You could work next door to somebody for 30 years not
knowing what they're doing in certain areas. The whole point of all of this
... goes back to World War II. This Roswell incident took place right at the
aftermath of World War II when the U.S. Army Air Corps was split off and
became the Air Force and the OSS (Office of Strategic Services), which was
the intelligence service of World War II, was disbanded and eventually
became the CIA. At that point the Cold War was just starting to move under
way and we were at odds with the Soviets.

The Air Force was brand new and supposedly in control of the skies and
didn't know what they were doing, and the CIA didn't know what they were
doing, so Pres. Truman was in a big problem here: Here people were telling
him there were aliens
<http://blogs.discovery.com/cosmic_ray/2008/07/mapping-alien-w.html>  around
and nobody knew if they were hostile or what they were and what was he going
to do about it?

So he formed a committee, a very high-level military and academic and
intelligent people -- politically powerful people -- and said 'You guys work
on this.' And that was called ... the MAJIC 12. And they did pass a National
Security Act, or so I'm told, under highly classified auspices, that gave
this committee virtually unlimited power to deal with this issue, which they
have done for the last 60 years, slowly excluding everybody -- including
presidents.

You may remember that Pres. Clinton tried to send (Webster) Hubbell to find
out about this at Wright Patterson. He got rejected. And Barry Goldwater,
back in the '60s when he was getting ready to run for the presidency and who
was a brigadier general in the Air Force Reserve tried to get information
about it. He got rejected. And I'm told that Gerry Ford tried to do some
finding out and he got rejected.

Jimmy Carter announced his observation of UFOs, but that never went anywhere
so obviously he made no progress. Only in recent years has the public
interest become acute enough and enough stories leaked out so that people
are starting to believe that it's all real. And the fact of the matter is,
it is.

They're still around and there's a lot of stuff going on.

Are you aware of the so-called Phoenix Lights Incident? That wasn't our
stuff.

IK: I'm sorry. Can you say that again?

EM: Lights. Just a few years ago. Three humongous craft
<http://science.howstuffworks.com/ufo-evidence.htm>  flew over Phoenix, very
slowly in the middle of the night that clearly were not -- I happened to be
on the phone with people out there when that happened and have had pictures
of it -- clearly those were not, to those of us who know aviation and
spacecraft, clearly those were not local stuff, home-grown stuff.

IK: So you're saying the incidences are becoming more prevalent among the
general public? People are having their own sightings?

EM: Just several weeks ago, this so-called incident at Stephenville, in
Stephenville, Texas. Another one. And naturally a lot of discounting and
unfortunately the press, the giggle factor got up and the press tended to
ignore it, but the fact of the matter is this is the real stuff we're
dealing with. We're not alone in the universe. And it has nothing to do with
NASA. As far as I know it has to do with what's going on and has been going
on for a long time.

IK: As a man of science and engineering, how did you make this leap from
doing what you needed to do to be an astronaut to what you're doing today?

EM: Because I was told by people who were utterly sworn to secrecy under
severe penalty if they talked and because I'd been to the moon, because I
was a local resident of Roswell when the so-called Roswell
<http://science.howstuffworks.com/history-roswell-incident.htm>  incident
took place, some of them thought I was a safe person to tell before they
passed on so that the knowledge didn't die. There are others like me, people
out here who have done an enormous amount of investigation who have seen
through the facade and seen through the cover-up and can talk chapter and
verse, better than I can. We know it's real.

IK: Can you describe what changed you after you were in space? How did that
happen?

EM: Well I've got a research foundation that has been working on that
problem for 37 years.

I was coming back from the moon after completing a successful mission on the
<http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/nasa/nasa.html>  moon. My job was being
responsible for the lunar spacecraft for the lunar surface activities. So on
the way home, my successful job had been mostly completed and we were just
coming home. We still had experiments and work to do, but the big stuff was
done.

We were orientated such and rotating in order to keep the thermal balance of
the spacecraft so that every two minutes you could see the Earth, the moon,
the sun and a 360-degree panorama of the heavens came through the window
every two minutes. That's powerful stuff, particularly since it's space.
Without the atmosphere to block, the stars don't twinkle, and there's 10
times as many as you could possibly see on Earth because of the lack of
interference and it's much closer to what you could see through the Hubble
Telescope these days, with those pictures and I hope you've looked at some
of those: it's overwhelming -- and I realized as that happened, because I do
have a PhD from MIT and I studied astronomy at Harvard and MIT and knew that
molecules of matter in my body and in the spacecraft and in my partners'
bodies were made in some ancient generation of stars. That's where matter is
created.

Suddenly I realized that the molecules in my body were created in an ancient
generation of stars and suddenly that became personal and visceral, not
intellectual and I had never had this experience. It was accompanied by
bliss, an ecstasy I had never experienced.

Later -- and I'm making this long story short -- with some discovery and
some help from scientists at Rice University in Houston, I discovered in
ancient transcripts that this type of experience -- a transformational,
transcendental experience where you see things as you perceive them but
experience them viscerally and emotionally as one, as a part of it -- is
called samadhi. In doing more research, I found that it has taken place in
every culture on Earth. The political and cultural expression of that turns
out to be religion.

The experience is the same -- a heady, overwhelming experience. But when it
gets politicized, put into the culture, those things get lost on the people
who had the experience and it becomes something else. So that's what it was:
a deep, deep cultural experience that is in the culture of our civilization
in hundreds of places.

IK: Is that what the Noetic Institute is for? To bring this consciousness
...

EM: I'm trying to use the tools of science to understand precisely these
types of knowledge.

IK: Wow, that's quite a calling.

EM: That's exactly what I've spent the last 35 years doing.

IK: What's the tie-in between this pursuit and your experiences with
understanding that there are other life forms that have come to Earth?

EM: Well it's just an extension of the cosmology of what's this whole
universe about and what are we about and coming to the conclusion that we
are not alone. That's some of the most important knowledge that we could
discover.

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