[FPSPACE] Alien Contact on National Geographic Channel February 2
dstdba at post4.tele.dk
Wed Feb 2 16:27:48 EST 2005
Hi Saunders and List,
Although I may well be preaching to the converted,
I'll copy my reply to Fpspace, since this topic
seems to surface regularly on the list.
First of all I fail to understand your use of the
word 'pessimistic'. Is it pessimistic not to expect
aliens creeping and crawling around nearby? I think
not! In fact, I expect mankind a future so bright
that only the entire galaxy can provide us with
Or is it pessimistic to refer to the Drake equation?
Well, that was a tongue-in-cheek sort of thing, since
there is no other formula around to justify the SETI
expense. But nobody, absolutely nobody can derive any
meaningful result out of this formula by plugging
values into it, since those values are not known.
As a consequence there is NO scientific justification
whatsoever for SETI. I shall even go so far as stating
that the best spent money in space science are those
diverted towards mapping the collision risk from Near
Earth Asteroids and Comets, whereas the money most
wasted in space science are those tossed at SETI.
The archetypical SETI hunter seems to me to be what
Michael Crichton would term an 'Urban Atheist'. The
sting of 'Horror Vacui', the thought of contemplating
mankind being totally alone in a vast universe, builds
up a need for 'Religion Lite', in other words a belief
in and a desire for aliens to populate the vast vacuum
of space. Be they good or be they bad, it hardly matters
as long as they remove our pain of loneliness.
But to anyone who believes in a universe created by some
Demiurge, rather than by an accidental fluke of nature,
it carries little or no attraction to let two intelligent
life forms meet or clash. One would be bound to be ahead
of the other, such that the inferior life form would become
superfluous to the evolution of life, a mere zoological
peculiarity in the history of the universe.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Saunders B. Kramer Sr. [mailto:sbetk5 at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 3:17 AM
> To: dstdba at post4.tele.dk
> Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Alien Contact on National Geographic
> Channel February 2
> Jens : You are much too pessimistic. But no one, Drake
> equation or not, really has any idea if/where other
> intelligent life exists. That includes you and me.
> Saunders Kramer
> On Jan 31, 2005, at 4:05 PM, Jens Kieffer-Olsen wrote:
> > Bullshit!
> > Believing life to exist beyond our planet is
> > NOT the same as believing aliens to exist a
> > rocket's throw away from ourselves.
> > On the contrary, there is likely to be only
> > one intelligent life form per galaxy.
> > The Drake equation makes it rather obvious
> > that the SETI search is no better advised
> > than the hunt for extra-terrestrial corn
> > circle artists.
> > --
> > Jens Kieffer-Olsen
> > Slagelse, Denmark
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: LARRY KLAES [mailto:ljk4 at msn.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 5:42 PM
> >> To: fpspace
> >> Subject: [FPSPACE] Alien Contact on National Geographic
> >> Channel February 2
> >> WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 2, 2005
> >> Naked Science: "Alien Contact" at 10P et/pt
> >> Many scientists believe that we are on the verge of
> contacting alien
> >> life-forms. Join the search for extraterrestrials, and hear
> >> from those convinced that life exists beyond our planet.
> >> Rebroadcast at 1 am ET on February 3, February 9 at 5 pm, and
> >> February 20 at 7 pm
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> Visit the National Geographic Channel home page. >>
> > ng.
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