[FPSPACE] Conspiracy....issues

Sun Aug 8 17:47:30 EDT 2004

Dear Igor:

I am not taking any sides, yet I have been following this thread with
rapidly increasing interest.

A few friendly notes:

First of all, with all due respect, I would not use 'laughable'  describing
Mr. Pesavento's work.

It sounds much worse on English than you likely meant. In addition, Mr.
Pesavento
operates with the facts he has access to. There is no doubt in anyone's mind
that Russian RussianSpace
historians, journalists  and professional have broader access to and
knowledge of the subject in
general than their Western counterparts. However, this by any mean does not
guarantee that
Russians historians current believes trump up other historians' believes.

Secondly, to address your statement why Mr. Pesavento would not come to
Russia like Mr.
Asif Siddiqi: not to undermine Mr. Asif Siddiqi's outstanding and meticulous
research results, but
just to be objective, I have to say that there is no "land of equal
opportunities". And in general, it is
not as easy to afford to travel to Russia from the States as you might
think.

Finally, if you have specific facts, contradicting Mr. Pesavento's writings,
please state them. That
will be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely and Respectfully,
--
Constantine "Kostya" Domashnev

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Igor Lissov" <lissov-i at yandex.ru>
To: "Peter Pesavento" <eagle267 at svol.net>
Cc: <fpspace at friends-partners.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Conspiracy....issues

> Peter,
>
> I understand very good you will not hear from me again; but maybe others
on this
> forum will do.
>
> In my short hours of rest (usually in subway trains from home to office
and back)
> I've just finished a book named Anti-Suvorov. Those who know the Russian
> historiography of WWII probably know also about the British-based author
Viktor
> Suvorov, formerly a Soviet GRU spy Viktor Rezun. Rezun-Suvorov wrote a lot
> of books trying to prove that Stalin was almost ready to invade Germany in
July
> 1941 and Hitler preempted this with his June 22 invasion to Russia. These
are
> brilliant books; they impress a layman very much.
>
> In fact this is a classical conspiracy theory and professional war
historians as
> well as knowledgeable hobbyists laugh at these books and bet that in any
> page one can find at least one factual error, misquote and/or wrong
interpretation.
> Just in the same way as all knoledgeable persons in the U.S. know that U.S
> did land on the Moon and laugh at books trying to prove they didn't.
>
> The level of your facts, interpretation and thoughts, Peter, is quite the
same.
> Being read to Russian professionals or knowledgeable hobbyists, such as
> Igor Afanasyev (Unknown Spacecraft) and Igor Marinin and Sergey
Shamsutdinov
> you've mentioned too, your posts result in bursts of laugh.
>
> What I really don't understand is why Asif Siddiqi, when he needs to find
evidence
> for his work, goes to Russia and works in archives, and you urge others to
do this
> for you. For me, I don't want to spend my time to prove your theories.
>
> > a)  As to Sven and others saying that 5L didn't have a lunar lander
component
> > on board, I would like to direct personages to re-look and re-read
Russian
> > materials from the 1989-1992 time frame...I don't have them in front of
me, but I
> > will make mention of the materials that interested parties should take a
re-look
> > at... (including Mishin interviews in Russian newspapers and
periodicals, as well
> > as his monograph "Why Didn't we fly to the Moon",
>
> I don't have an opinion on Mishin's Diaries -- never read these -- but I
do know
> that all his interviews and the 64-pages brochure you refer to as the
monograph
> are full of obvious mistakes. Mishin couldn't even count and name
correctly the
> unmanned Soyuzes launched before Komarov. These sources just aren't
credible.
>
> > and Filin's monograph "Memories of the Lunar Lander"...
>
> In other Filin's book before me, 'Road to Energiya', Filin shortly recalls
the
> N1 tests. He writes about 5L preparation days (pp.32-33): 'July 1969
began. New
> rocket was ready. We wanted very hard that at least first stage were
successful
> <...> The launch date of Amercian manned expedition was already known.
Would
> we at least launch mock-ups of lunar spacecraft?'
>
> You think there's something to look further? I don't.
>
> > even the monograph "Unknown Spacecraft" might have made a mention--
> > but don't quote me on that...
>
> p.36: 5L payload is a simplified L1. Do you want an answer from Igor
Afanasyev
> himself?
>
> And -- what do you mean with 'don't quote me on this'? If you make a
claim,
> give the proof. Not having a proof, don't make wild claims. Quotes from
> borzopistsy of Moskovskiy Komsomolets and Komsomolskaya Pravda
> don't count.
>
> > b) As to "conspiracy" theories....stop this BS....US intelligence knew
that
> > there was a lunar-related launching in the offing, and Peter N. James
(he
> > is available,  veracious, and an open source, which is why I continue to
> > mention him)
>
> Naturally Peter N. James knows much more on the subject than
> Vyacheslav Mikhaylovich Filin.
>
> Igor Lissov
>
>
>
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