[FPSPACE] Conspiracy....issues

[Igor Lissov]

Peter,

I understand very good you will not hear from me again; but maybe others on this
forum will do.

In my short hours of rest (usually in subway trains from home to office and back) 
I've just finished a book named Anti-Suvorov. Those who know the Russian
historiography of WWII probably know also about the British-based author Viktor 
Suvorov, formerly a Soviet GRU spy Viktor Rezun. Rezun-Suvorov wrote a lot
of books trying to prove that Stalin was almost ready to invade Germany in July 
1941 and Hitler preempted this with his June 22 invasion to Russia. These are
brilliant books; they impress a layman very much. 

In fact this is a classical conspiracy theory and professional war historians as 
well as knowledgeable hobbyists laugh at these books and bet that in any 
page one can find at least one factual error, misquote and/or wrong interpretation. 
Just in the same way as all knoledgeable persons in the U.S. know that U.S
did land on the Moon and laugh at books trying to prove they didn't.

The level of your facts, interpretation and thoughts, Peter, is quite the same.
Being read to Russian professionals or knowledgeable hobbyists, such as
Igor Afanasyev (Unknown Spacecraft) and Igor Marinin and Sergey Shamsutdinov
you've mentioned too, your posts result in bursts of laugh.

What I really don't understand is why Asif Siddiqi, when he needs to find evidence
for his work, goes to Russia and works in archives, and you urge others to do this
for you. For me, I don't want to spend my time to prove your theories.

> a)  As to Sven and others saying that 5L didn't have a lunar lander component 
> on board, I would like to direct personages to re-look and re-read Russian 
> materials from the 1989-1992 time frame...I don't have them in front of me, but I 
> will make mention of the materials that interested parties should take a re-look 
> at... (including Mishin interviews in Russian newspapers and periodicals, as well 
> as his monograph "Why Didn't we fly to the Moon", 

I don't have an opinion on Mishin's Diaries -- never read these -- but I do know 
that all his interviews and the 64-pages brochure you refer to as the monograph
are full of obvious mistakes. Mishin couldn't even count and name correctly the 
unmanned Soyuzes launched before Komarov. These sources just aren't credible.

> and Filin's monograph "Memories of the Lunar Lander"...

In other Filin's book before me, 'Road to Energiya', Filin shortly recalls the
N1 tests. He writes about 5L preparation days (pp.32-33): 'July 1969 began. New
rocket was ready. We wanted very hard that at least first stage were successful 
<...> The launch date of Amercian manned expedition was already known. Would 
we at least launch mock-ups of lunar spacecraft?' 

You think there's something to look further? I don't.

> even the monograph "Unknown Spacecraft" might have made a mention--
> but don't quote me on that...

p.36: 5L payload is a simplified L1. Do you want an answer from Igor Afanasyev
himself?

And -- what do you mean with 'don't quote me on this'? If you make a claim,
give the proof. Not having a proof, don't make wild claims. Quotes from 
borzopistsy of Moskovskiy Komsomolets and Komsomolskaya Pravda
don't count. 

> b) As to "conspiracy" theories....stop this BS....US intelligence knew that 
> there was a lunar-related launching in the offing, and Peter N. James (he 
> is available,  veracious, and an open source, which is why I continue to 
> mention him) 

Naturally Peter N. James knows much more on the subject than 
Vyacheslav Mikhaylovich Filin.

Igor Lissov