From JamesOberg@aol.com Mon Jan 1 22:28:33 2001 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:28:33 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] FWD: Upcoming Shenzhou Chinese Spaceship Launch Confirmed JimO: I'm relaying this report. [December 31, 2000] Upcoming Shenzhou Launch Confirmed ------ Wen Wei Po, a Hong Kong newspaper having close connections with the Chinese government, reported that China is ready to launch the second Shenzhou unmanned spaceship. It finally confirmed the rumored Shenzhou 2 launch in early January. In 1999, the same newspaper had a similar report one week before the historic Shenzhou 1 launch. From tonyq@another.com Tue Jan 2 00:04:36 2001 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 00:04:36 +0000 (GMT+00:00) From: tonyq@another.com tonyq@another.com Subject: [FPSPACE] re Female Cosmonauts at Yahoo Clubs --10112121.978393876041.JavaMail.nobody@www-a23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After some weeks of trying to decide the best (easiest?) way to display my accumulation of Female Cosmonaut images, I have created a club named 'Female Cosmonauts' at yahoo clubs. I've only posted about a dozen pictures so far, but there are many more to come. If anyone out there has anything interesting to add, please add an image or post a message in the message box. TonyQ Be whoever you want to be with another.com Just click here: http://another.com/jump.jsp?destDesc=another.com/login.jsp?sig=390 --10112121.978393876041.JavaMail.nobody@www-a23-- From albonnici@vol.net.mt Tue Jan 2 05:27:15 2001 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 06:27:15 +0100 From: Alex Michael Bonnici albonnici@vol.net.mt Subject: [FPSPACE] [Fwd: Where's the Monolith?] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0D062716F232C569BE024741 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------0D062716F232C569BE024741 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from lbmail2.listbot.com ([204.71.191.207]) by mail.vol.net.mt (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65110U6000L600S0V35) with SMTP id mt for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 05:52:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 35080 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2001 04:44:39 -0000 Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact bootes-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list bootes@listbot.com Reply-To: "The News From Bootes" Received: (qmail 23585 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2001 04:55:07 -0000 Received: from mail.vol.net.mt (212.56.128.202) by lb5.listbot.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2001 04:55:07 -0000 Received: from vol.net.mt ([212.56.130.104]) by mail.vol.net.mt (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65110U6000L600S0V35) with ESMTP id mt; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 05:52:07 +0100 Message-ID: <3A515EB5.B9BA72B6@vol.net.mt> Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 05:53:23 +0100 From: Alex Michael Bonnici Organization: Video On Line X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ACC Fan Club , Carl Sagan List , Towards 2001 and Beyond , Transhumantech , "transhumantech@egroups.com" , The News From Bootes , "public@setileague.org" , Malta Astro Subject: Where's the Monolith? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 The News From Bootes - http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/9146 --------------------------- ListBot Sponsor -------------------------- Start Your Own FREE Email List at ListBot http://www.listbot.com/links/joinlb ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In keeping with the Millennial Season CNN files a suitable story on the eve of 2001 entitled "Where's the Monolith? 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Phillip Clark --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip S Clark 22 Winterbourne Close Molniya Space Consultancy Hastings Compiler/Publisher, Worldwide Satellite Launches E Sussex TN34 1XG U.K. Specialist in "space archeology" - the older and more obscure the more interesting it is ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kgottschalk@uwc.ac.za Tue Jan 2 11:30:09 2001 Date: 2 Jan 2001 13:30:09 +0200 From: Keith Gottschalk kgottschalk@uwc.ac.za Subject: [FPSPACE] VAB records? > Chinese media reveals that the vertical assembly building in Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center has set many world records. The VAB, code >name 920-520, built by the 8th Division of CSCEC, is the world's largest concrete rocket assembly building, is also the world's tallest >single-floor concrete building, and has the world's tallest(86.1m above the ground) and heaviest(13000 tons) concrete building roof. This claim is of course correctly qualified, as the Cape Canaveral VAB is not built in concrete. Is the KSC VAB in fact higher than the PRC one? From dave.woods@lmco.com Tue Jan 2 12:54:34 2001 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 07:54:34 -0500 From: Woods, Dave dave.woods@lmco.com Subject: [FPSPACE] AP Story on Mir comm-loss I got a nice note from fellow FPSpacer Max White in which he reminded me that time is running out for chances to see the Mir Space Station again before it comes down at the end of February. There are a number of satellite orbit prediction sites out there. My favorate for here in the States is at: http://bester.com/satpasses.htm . Taking a look at it for a nearby large city shows a good viewing opportunity coming up at the end of next week. I have see Mir a number of times over the years. Hopefully I will get at least one more opportunity with clear skys. Dave Time Azimuth Max Date AOS Max EL LOS Duration AOS Max LOS El Visibility --------------- ---------------- -------- -------- ----------- ---- ---------- Sat 13-Jan-2001 18:31:25 18:35:57 18:40:28 00:09:03 300 219 134 53.0 VVVNN 85237 1086/20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Max White > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 5:20 AM > To: dave.woods@lmco.com > Subject: Re: FW: [FPSPACE] AP Story on Mir comm-loss > > Hi Dave. Happy new year et al > > > > Got Mir coming over UK skies this week for the final time. > > Max > From chenlan@mbox2.singnet.com.sg Tue Jan 2 14:54:26 2001 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:54:26 +0800 From: Chen Lan chenlan@mbox2.singnet.com.sg Subject: [FPSPACE] VAB records? I recall that the Saturn V is more than 100m. As a part of the Apollo Program, the Cap Canaveral VAB is definitely taller than the Jiuquan one. Chen Lan > > This claim is of course correctly qualified, as the Cape Canaveral VAB is not built in concrete. Is the KSC VAB in fact higher than the PRC one? From dfowler@gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Tue Jan 2 15:36:35 2001 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 09:36:35 -0600 From: David Fowler dfowler@gwgate.lib.iastate.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Mir rescue crew Interfax reports that the backup crew is likely to be Korzun and Vinogradov.... is this correct Igor? Dave David C. Fowler Electronic Resources Coordinator Iowa State University 204 Parks Library Ames, IA 50011 dfowler@iastate.edu work (515) 294-0422 fax (515) 294-5525 >>> "Igor Lissov" 12/31/00 05:06AM >>> Hi, everybody! Happy New Year! It seems that Mir rescue crew will fly after all. Even without recent comm blackout, Mir suffers from unstable telemetry transponder. If the device finally fails, Mir goes uncontrolled. So the crew onboard becomes a prudent option. The problem is that we need experienced commander to dock with possibly unstable station and experienced flight engineer to cope with current and future failures onboard. In two ready EO-29 crews (Sharipov-Vinogradov, Musabayev- Baturin) Sharipov and Baturin aren't experienced in the field. Hence, there is in training (while not officially approved) a third crew, Gennady Padalka and Nikolay Budarin. They will train throughout the New Year vacations and Ortodox Christmas and inspect Soyuz TM #206 on January 7-8. On January 11-12, three crews will probably pass exams and prime crew will be approved. Launch is tentatively set for January 18. Igor Lissov _______________________________________________ FPSPACE mailing list FPSPACE@friends-partners.org http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace From bertvis@wxs.nl Tue Jan 2 16:24:23 2001 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:24:23 +0100 From: B. Vis bertvis@wxs.nl Subject: [FPSPACE] Mir rescue crew According to my sources in Star City it is. Bert -----Original Message----- From: David Fowler To: fpspace@friends-partners.org ; i-cosmos@mtu-net.ru Date: dinsdag 2 januari 2001 16:41 Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Mir rescue crew >Interfax reports that the backup crew is likely to be Korzun and Vinogradov.... is this correct Igor? > >Dave > > > >David C. Fowler >Electronic Resources Coordinator >Iowa State University >204 Parks Library >Ames, IA 50011 >dfowler@iastate.edu >work (515) 294-0422 >fax (515) 294-5525 > >>>> "Igor Lissov" 12/31/00 05:06AM >>> >Hi, everybody! >Happy New Year! > >It seems that Mir rescue crew will fly after all. Even without >recent comm blackout, Mir suffers from unstable telemetry >transponder. If the device finally fails, Mir goes uncontrolled. >So the crew onboard becomes a prudent option. >The problem is that we need experienced commander to >dock with possibly unstable station and experienced flight >engineer to cope with current and future failures onboard. >In two ready EO-29 crews (Sharipov-Vinogradov, Musabayev- >Baturin) Sharipov and Baturin aren't experienced in the field. >Hence, there is in training (while not officially approved) a third >crew, Gennady Padalka and Nikolay Budarin. They will train >throughout the New Year vacations and Ortodox Christmas >and inspect Soyuz TM #206 on January 7-8. >On January 11-12, three crews will probably pass exams >and prime crew will be approved. Launch is tentatively set for >January 18. > >Igor Lissov > > >_______________________________________________ >FPSPACE mailing list >FPSPACE@friends-partners.org >http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace > >_______________________________________________ >FPSPACE mailing list >FPSPACE@friends-partners.org >http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace > From JamesOberg@aol.com Tue Jan 2 20:32:22 2001 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:32:22 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] TASS: People to fly regularly to Mars and moon next century People to fly regularly to Mars and moon next century MOSCOW, Jan 01, 2001 (Itar-Tass) - Cosmonauts will not limit themselves in the coming century to flights around Earth. People will domesticate other planets -- Mars and the moon where settlements will be built. This opinion was expressed in an interview with Tass on Saturday by the deputy director of the Medico-Biological Institute, cosmonaut Valery Polyakov. He is the world record-holder in space longevity flights who worked on the Russian Mir orbital station for one and half years. "My expedition was already a rehearsal of future interplanetary flights," he noted. According to the cosmonaut, the pool of countries will build completely the International Space Station early in the 21st century, which will operate in orbit for about 20 years. Then, specialists will start organising regular flights of people to Mars and the moon and will create bases as well as settlements there, Polyakov claimed. "This idea looks fantastic now, but such projects are quite real in the future," the cosmonaut continued, adding that "something new and unpredictable so far will surely appear in space explorations". Polyakov does not intend to fly to outer space any longer, but wants to help in organising new expeditions with his experience. From vojko.kogej@guest.arnes.si Tue Jan 2 21:53:08 2001 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:53:08 +0100 From: Vojko Kogej vojko.kogej@guest.arnes.si Subject: [FPSPACE] VAB records? VAB is about 160 m tall. In the past we sometimes heard that VAB is building with the world highest volume. I think that the largest MIK on Baikonur has more volume that VAB. Vojko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chen Lan" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] VAB records? > I recall that the Saturn V is more than 100m. As a part of the Apollo > Program, the Cap Canaveral VAB is definitely taller than the Jiuquan one. > > Chen Lan > > > > This claim is of course correctly qualified, as the Cape Canaveral VAB > is not built in concrete. Is the KSC VAB in fact higher than the PRC one? > > > _______________________________________________ > FPSPACE mailing list > FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace > From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Wed Jan 3 05:39:33 2001 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 00:39:33 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Rocket torpedo/espionage I'm just posting this as an FYI. It tends to explain a lot of things, including why the Russian FSB went after Pope. DDAY ************************************ http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10166-2001Jan2.html Unseen Perils in a Russian Squall How Edmond Pope Fell Victim to Intrigue Over a Torpedo By John Mintz Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, January 3, 2001; Page A01 The gun-toting Russian security agents who burst into Edmond Pope's hotel room in Moscow last April videotaped his arrest on suspicion of espionage, catching the retired U.S. Navy captain in slack-jawed astonishment. Pope, 54, a businessman who scoured Russia for promising technologies, is said to have remained baffled for the eight months he spent in the 18th-century Lefortovo Prison. Charged with stealing state secrets and tried behind closed doors this fall, he became the first American to be convicted of spying in Russia in 40 years. Though sentenced to 20 years in prison, he was pardoned by President Vladimir Putin on humanitarian grounds Dec. 14 and is now back at home in State College, Pa. Why Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB), successor to the Soviet KGB, arrested Pope is a tangled affair still shrouded in secrecy. A former Navy intelligence officer, he was operating in a dangerous gray area when he sought to buy Russian technology that could be useful to the Pentagon. But sources knowledgeable about U.S. intelligence said Pope fell afoul of an intelligence operation in which he was not involved: an effort by the Canadian government to buy a handful of Russia's advanced Shkval (or Squall) torpedoes from a defense plant in the former Soviet republic of Kyrgyzstan. Middlemen working for the Canadians -- and indirectly for the United States, which sources called a "junior partner" in the operation -- were on the verge of landing the weapons last year. But the deal fell through, for reasons that are not entirely clear. It may be that Russian authorities learned of the impending sale and pressured Kyrgyzstan to stop it. Another version is that the middlemen failed to make the huge payoffs that certain officials expected. Either way, the FSB turned its full fury on Pope. He had been researching the Squall for years and was in the process of buying technical information about it. But he thought his purchase had been approved by the Russian government, and he was completely unaware of the simultaneous Canadian operation, the intelligence sources said. [rest of long long article deleted] From kcowing@reston.com Wed Jan 3 05:27:31 2001 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:27:31 -0500 From: Keith Cowing kcowing@reston.com Subject: [FPSPACE] SpaceRef.com solicits your thoughts on "2001" in 2001 The year 2001 has now swept around our planet. For many people interested in space exploration the film "2001: A Space Odyssey" has served as both a prediction of- and a stimulus to create the future for more than a generation. Now it is here. Over the coming weeks SpaceRef will be taking a detailed look at the film and its impact on how we both expected - and have actually built - our future in space. See "2001" Then and Now for continuing coverage of what others are saying about 2001: http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=270 We are also soliciting comments from our readers. Our first reader's comments are from Mike Okuda, Star Trek's Scenic Art Supervisor and Rick Sternbach, Senior Illustrator for Star Trek "Voyager" - two people who work in the tradition of Kubrick and Clarke in shaping our vision of the future. Read the full text of their comments and see an image Okuda created to show just how close "2001" is to 2001. Go to "2001: A Space Odyssey" Then - and Now. SpaceRef Reader's Comments" at http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=271 to see what Okuda, Sternbach, and others are saying about "2001". What do you think? If you have any comments you'd like to share please send them to 2001@spaceref.com, Please tell us what you do (aerospace engineer, student, etc.) and where you do it - including your website address. We'll post your comments with your name and affiliation unless you ask us not to. Comments are subject to editing by SpaceRef. From robot@ultimax.com Wed Jan 3 16:36:07 2001 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:36:07 -0400 From: Robert G Kennedy III robot@ultimax.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: parrot jokes Phillip Clarke wrote: >Anyway, politics is just about a parrot that's swallowed a clock ...... >[polly ticks ...... oh, I give up !] I always liked this pun: Q. How do you address a parrot named "Macbeth"? A. Polyurethane! (Polly, you're a thane.) -- Robert Kennedy, PE http://www.ultimax.com From dave.woods@lmco.com Wed Jan 3 18:21:50 2001 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:21:50 -0500 From: Woods, Dave dave.woods@lmco.com Subject: [FPSPACE] SpaceRef.com solicits your thoughts on "2001" in 20 01 Keith, There is a typo in http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=271 . The second illustration down is labeled "Atlantis and Mir". Clicking on that image brings up http://www.spaceref.com/news/2001.okuda.html . The station seen through the windows is ISS. Therefore the thumbnail image should be "Atlantis and ISS". It is correct in the callup page. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Cowing [SMTP:kcowing@reston.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 12:28 AM > To: fpspace@SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU > Subject: [FPSPACE] SpaceRef.com solicits your thoughts on "2001" in > 2001 > Importance: High > > Go to "2001: A Space Odyssey" Then - and Now. SpaceRef Reader's Comments" > at > http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=271 to see what Okuda, > Sternbach, and others are saying about "2001". > > What do you think? If you have any comments you'd like to share please > send them to 2001@spaceref.com. From psclark@dircon.co.uk Wed Jan 3 21:30:13 2001 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:30:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Phillip Clark psclark@dircon.co.uk Subject: [FPSPACE] Someone cannot count ....... > From NASANews@hq.nasa.gov Wed Jan 3 21:26:24 2001 > Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:00:22 -0500 (EST) > From: NASANews@hq.nasa.gov > To: undisclosed-recipients: ; > Subject: STATUS BRIEFING FOR EXPEDITION ONE MISSION SET FOR JAN. 12 > As Commander Bill Shepherd, Pilot Yuri Gidzenko and Flight > Engineer Sergei Krikalev near the three-month mark of their > mission aboard the International Space Station, the progress of > their flight will be discussed at an Expedition One mission status > briefing next week. OK, launch was October 31st 2000 which means that the second month on board ISS has just been completed. So, who is NASA kidding about the "three-month" mark approaching ? So is the six-month or 18-month mark if they stay up that long. Phillip Clark --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip S Clark 22 Winterbourne Close Molniya Space Consultancy Hastings Compiler/Publisher, Worldwide Satellite Launches E Sussex TN34 1XG U.K. Specialist in "space archeology" - the older and more obscure the more interesting it is ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From JamesOberg@aol.com Wed Jan 3 22:17:46 2001 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:17:46 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] RSA and Star City Confirm: Tito to ISS on Soyuz April 30 Interfax Russian News / January 03, 2001, Wednesday Space tourist Tito to fly to ISS MOSCOW. Jan 3 (Interfax) Dennis Tito, a U.S. financier, will be the first space tourist in world history. Tito will fly to the International Space Station (ISS) together with Talgat Musabayev and Yuri Baturin (former aide to the Russian president, who is now part of the Russian space team), Pyotr Klimuk, the head of the Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center, told Interfax. However, these are just the Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center's plans, and they are yet to be approved by the state interdepartmental committee. In addition, such a decision is to be approved by NASA. The cosmonauts will also have to go through a detailed medical examination. A Soyuz-TM spacecraft is scheduled to be launched into space on April 30, Klimuk said. However, this term is subject to change due to the ballistic situation, the light conditions, and on when the American space shuttles will go to the ISS. The head of the Gagarin Center said he does not rule out that the launch might be postponed until May. Tito is expected to come to the Russia Cosmonaut Training Center from the U.S. in the first half of January, Klimuk said. The flight is expected to last for two weeks. This expedition is needed to replace the Soyuz-TM rescue spacecraft, which brought the first long-term visiting expedition (William Shepherd, Yuri Gidzenko and Sergei Krikalyov) to the ISS. The resources of this spacecraft (which is expected to operate successfully for six months) will be exhausted by May. The ISS crews are scheduled to change shifts on March 1. This will be done with the help of an American spacecraft. Tito, 60, has a degree in aerospace engineering. Tito signed a contract for his trip into space with MirCorp, the main co-founder of which is the Russian rocket and space corporation Energiya. Previously, it was planned to fly Tito to the Mir space station. However, as it is most likely that Mir will soon be deorbited and dumped into the Pacific Ocean, Tito will probably go to the ISS. ---------------------------------------- Agence France Presse / January 3, 2001, Wednesday 1:03 AM, Eastern Time US "tourist" to make 2001 space odyssey to ISS MOSCOW, Jan 3 -- Maverick US businessman Dennis Tito, who had hoped to become the world's first "space tourist" by visiting Russia's doomed Mir space station, would now visit the International Space Station this spring, the Russian space agency said Wednesday. Tito "will leave for the ISS six months after the first mission's departure" onboard a Soyuz spacecraft, space agency spokesman Sergei Gorbunov told AFP. He would not comment on the price paid by the 60-year-old former aerospace engineer, who had originally agreed to put up 20 million dollars of his own money for the privilege of a trip to the ageing Mir station. The first manned mission to the ISS, which is sponsored by 16 nations, was mounted by US astronaut William Shepherd and Russian cosmonauts Sergei Krikalyov and Yury Gidzenko, who have been on board the space station since November 2. The US businessman signed a contract last June to make a space flight to Mir in early 2001. The unlikely deal was brokered by MirCorp, a consortium set up with a US venture capital outfit and Energiya, the space station's operator, to develop commercial funding needed to keep the Soviet-era Mir in orbit. But Russian officials complained that MirCorp had failed to come up with the promised cash lifeline to save Mir from destruction. Tito, who worked at NASA in the 1960s mainly on the future of missions to Mars and Venus, according to Interfax, began training for his space flight last year. He is expected to return to the Cosmonaut Training Centre in the second half of January for further training, Klimuk said. From l.coren@adriacom.it Thu Jan 4 13:24:10 2001 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:24:10 +0100 From: Luca Coren l.coren@adriacom.it Subject: [FPSPACE] Space.com & April 12, 2001 http://www.space.com/news/space_schedule_010104.html I'll say clear I'm not so happy to see Space.com cannibalizing other space news sites but let me give vent to my *anger* towards the service it offers to our spce community ;-) Among the most remarkable dates in the month of April 2001, Space.com lists April 12 as the 20th Anniversary of 1st Space Shuttle launch, sure it is right but I would not forget that April 12th, 2001 is, IMHO, first of all the 40th Anniversary of Gagarin's flight. Except for the 15th anniversary of Mir launch, Space.com misses other important anniversaries such as Shepard's flight (40th) and launch of Salyut 1 (30th). And more: Challenger is rememberd but Soyuz 11 is forgot :-/ Luca ---------------- Luca Coren Trieste, Italy e.mail: l.coren@adriacom.it From l.coren@adriacom.it Thu Jan 4 13:59:11 2001 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:59:11 +0100 From: Luca Coren l.coren@adriacom.it Subject: [FPSPACE] Kvant 1 I'd like an explanation about the position of Kvant 1 in the Mir complex. Kvant 1 is docked to the rear port of Mir making Mir engines useless. If I remember correctly Kvant 1 docked to rear port because of problòems at the front on, isn't that right? If so the position of Kvant 1 is not the one originally planned. So... what was the planned position for Kvant 1? And whay wasn't it moved to its planned position? Luca ---------------- Luca Coren Trieste, Italy e.mail: l.coren@adriacom.it From i-cosmos@mtu-net.ru Thu Jan 4 20:07:49 2001 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 23:07:49 +0300 From: Igor Lissov i-cosmos@mtu-net.ru Subject: [FPSPACE] Russian Mir/ISS news Hi, According to my colleague Sergey Shamsutdinov, today Mir program managers decided not to launch Mir rescue crew, but to launch Progress M1-5 (#254) on January 18. On January 20, the tanker spacecraft will dock to Mir to provide controlled re-entry of the station in February. Crews will be kept flight-ready for possible emergency launch in either of the two cases: if Progress would be unable to dock to Mir in automated mode, or in the case of a large failure onboard Mir leaving the station without control. Earlier today the Main Medicine Commission (GMK) approved 13 persons for space missions or cosmonaut training. These are three Mir rescue crews (Sharipov-Vinogradov, Musabayev-Baturin, Padalka-Budarin), six ISS crewmembers (Dmitriy Kondrat'yev, Maksim Surayev, Sergey Moshchenko, Oleg Kotov, Sergey Zalyotin and Aleksandr Kaleri) and the first cosmonaut candidate from Kazakhstan. After screening approx. 400 Kazakhstani applicants in the IMBP, Ruslan Rukhmanovich Mukhamedrakhimov, 1973, citizen of Kazakhstan, was declared fit for general space training, i.e. ASCAN course in the TsPK. Then he will train for an ISS mission within a Russian crew, as a part of bilateral space agreement. Ruslan Mukhamedrakhimov is the first citizen of independent Kazakhstan to be selected for a space mission. In 1991, Kazakhs Tokhtar Aubakirov and Talgat Musabayev trained in TsPK, and Aubakirov participated in a mission to Mir representing the Soviet Socialist Republic of Kazakhstan, then a part of the Soviet Union. Tokhtar Aubakirov became the 72th and last cosmonaut of the Soviet Union, while Kazakhstan also considers him as the first cosmonaut of Kazakhstan. Later, Talgat Musabayev made two long-duration missions to Mir as the citizen of Russian Federation and officer with the Russian Armed Forces. Again, Kazakhstan considers him as its second cosmonaut. If repoduced, this story must be attributed to Sergey Shamsutdinov of Novosti Kosmonavtiki magazine, Moscow, Russia. Best wishes, Igor Lissov From Damir.Lozovina@znanost.hr Fri Jan 5 11:14:42 2001 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:14:42 +0100 From: Damir Lozovina Damir.Lozovina@znanost.hr Subject: [FPSPACE] Galileo EOM Anybody knows something about Galileo's mission plan for 2001? It will be interesting to see End of the Mission scenario. Proposal No. 1 Jupiter gravity escape using very low swingby. If it survives: asteroid belt low angle entry recce mission until critical system failure. greetings, Damir http://pubwww.srce.hr/damirspace/ From lklaes@bbn.com Fri Jan 5 14:49:41 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 09:49:41 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Galileo EOM Here are some Web sites on the Galileo Millennium Mission: http://website.lineone.net/~del.palmer/#future http://www.ba.dlr.de/ne/pe/Missions/Galileo/GMM/ The Galileo Orbiter may be deliberately crashed into Jupiter to avoid any biological contamination of the moon Europa by Earth organisms on the probe. Larry At 12:14 PM 01/05/2001 +0100, Damir Lozovina wrote: >Anybody knows something about Galileo's mission plan for 2001? > >It will be interesting to see End of the Mission scenario. > >Proposal No. 1 > >Jupiter gravity escape using very low swingby. > >If it survives: asteroid belt low angle entry recce mission until >critical system failure. > > >greetings, > >Damir > >http://pubwww.srce.hr/damirspace/ >_______________________________________________ >FPSPACE mailing list >FPSPACE@friends-partners.org >http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace > From JamesOberg@aol.com Fri Jan 5 16:49:33 2001 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:49:33 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Russian PM Signs Resolution To Terminate Mir 08:19EST 01-05-01 MOSCOW, Jan 5 (Reuters) - Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Kasyanov has signed a resolution ordering that the aged Mir space station be taken out of orbit and sunk into the ocean early this year, the Russian space agency said on Friday. A spokesman for space agency Rosaviakosmos said that Kasyanov had signed the document on December 30, formalising a government decision from November to take the nearly 15-year-old Mir, originally intended to orbit Earth for just five years, out of service due to a lack of funding. The order calls for establishing a commission to determine how Mir will be brought down, and also says that resources that had been dedicated to the orbiter were to be focused on the $60 billion International Space Station (ISS). The ISS, a 16-nation venture, uses technology developed for Mir, which for years was the world's only manned space station. During its lifetime Mir helped Soviet and Russian cosmonauts set a string of space endurance records that have been the nation's pride -- and the envy of the better-funded United States. But in recent years a spate of mishaps dulled the revolutionary space station's image, including a near-catastrophic collision with a cargo craft and a communications failure on Christmas day last month that sparked fears that Mir was spinning out of control. U.S. space officials have pushed Russia to dump Mir, saying it drained sparse resources that would be better spent on Russia's role in the International Space Station. From lklaes@bbn.com Fri Jan 5 17:42:57 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:42:57 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] National Geographic article "Surviving in Space" - January, 2001 Boarding a bus at the Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center north of Moscow, 11 German tourists chat excitedly about their holiday — Russia’s aerospace holiday where you trade cash for thrills and spills. Three men report that tomorrow they will have a ride in the MiG-21 fighter ($4,000 apiece). A slender woman wearing thick glasses and a buzz cut reveals that she is going to do the centrifuge ($2,000), a whirling device that will subject her to perhaps 5 g’s, or five times the force of gravity. http://www.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0101/feature1/index.html From lklaes@bbn.com Fri Jan 5 18:13:32 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:13:32 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Image of Robert H. Goddard from National Geographic circa 1940 National Geographic Magazine's never before published archive of photographs for January, 2001 includes this image of rocket pioneer Robert H. Goddard and his assistants carrying a rocket to the launch pad in January of 1940. http://www.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/flashback/0101/index.html None of Goddard's flights were successful during the NGM writer's visit, so the article he wrote up never got published in the magazine. I have to wonder if space travel might have gotten wider public support and sent a satellite into Earth orbit sooner if the article had made it into NGM, considering how many people read it on a global scale? Just speculating. Quest magazine published the NGM article (sans photos) in its Summer, 1996 (Vol. 5, No. 2) issue: http://www.spacebusiness.com/quest/backissues.html Larry From l.coren@adriacom.it Fri Jan 5 18:19:56 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 19:19:56 +0100 From: Luca Coren l.coren@adriacom.it Subject: [FPSPACE] Status of Docking Compartment Hello all, The launch of Docking Compartment is listed to take place in March. Does anyboduy have info about the status of DC? Thanks, Luca ---------------- Luca Coren Trieste, Italy e.mail: l.coren@adriacom.it From vojko.kogej@guest.arnes.si Sat Jan 6 02:32:55 2001 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 03:32:55 +0100 From: Vojko Kogej vojko.kogej@guest.arnes.si Subject: [FPSPACE] Kvant 1 Somewhere long ago I read that Kvant 1 was at first intended to dock with Salyut 7. Kvant 1 docking with Mir disturbed frozen dirty linen, so two cosmonauts did EVA and solved a problem with one hammer. Kvant 1 is in planned position, I think. Vojko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luca Coren" To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 2:59 PM Subject: [FPSPACE] Kvant 1 > I'd like an explanation about the position of Kvant 1 in the Mir complex. > Kvant 1 is docked to the rear port of Mir making Mir engines useless. > If I remember correctly Kvant 1 docked to rear port because of problòems at > the front on, isn't that right? If so the position of Kvant 1 is not the > one originally planned. > So... what was the planned position for Kvant 1? And whay wasn't it moved > to its planned position? > > > Luca > > ---------------- > Luca Coren > Trieste, Italy > > e.mail: l.coren@adriacom.it > > _______________________________________________ > FPSPACE mailing list > FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace > From raoul.lannoy@pandora.be Sat Jan 6 19:16:14 2001 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:16:14 +0100 From: Raoul Lannoy raoul.lannoy@pandora.be Subject: [FPSPACE] Mir in the Moon Hello all, At around 16:18 UT, I went to the attic, finally saw Venus above an appartment roof, on the other side of the street and turned my back to have a look at Jupiter and the Moon with my 20 x 80 binoculars. Suddenly, I see a point of light rushing towards the Moon (it had no blinking lights and followed a familiar ISS or MIR path) and it CROSSED the MOON, yes, it went inside the Moon and crossed it in a fraction of a second. I'm quite puzzled because I don't remember seeing it on Heavens Above, so early, and check the time: 16:20 UT. Back to the PC, I check Mir's passages. There's only one at 17:54. However, tomorrow, there are 2 passages and there are 94 minutes between 2 orbits. If you substract 94 minutes from 17:54, you arrive at.....16:20 !!! I live at 51d12m25sN-4d25m21sE This was totally unexpected! Raoul From JamesOberg@aol.com Sat Jan 6 21:51:54 2001 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:51:54 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Russian Space Scientist Argues Case for Preserving Mir JimO: The 5-page attachment is remarkable -- Semyonov is still working on plans to commerciallize and preserve Mir, it seems. Serious and reasonable plans, it might be argued. Russian Space Scientist Argues Case for Preserving Mir Moscow Sovetskaya Rossiya in Russian 04 Jan 01 P 4 [Description of Source: Pro-communist daily sympathetic to CPRF leader Gennadiy Zyuganov.] [Article by Vladimir Melnikov, senior scientific staffer at the Energiya Space Rocket Corporation: "The Last Winter. What Will We Gain and What Will We Lose by Sinking the Soviet Mir?" -- the phrase "Soviet Mir" is a play on the word "mir," which means "world" and also "peace"] The [space] station Mir's brief silence on 26 December last year was presented in a number of the electronic media as yet more confirmation that the station is obsolete. What actually happened? An unplanned situation arose -- a commonplace event in the course of work, an event that can be classified among the so-called expected unplanned situations. This means that mission control center personnel have an action plan worked out for containing and eliminating situations of this kind. Judging from the fact that the station's silence was short-lived and the station is functioning normally, the loss of communications was caused not by a technical hitch but by the human factor, that is, a personnel error and not an equipment breakdown. And that is a very real possibility. Such problems arise from time to time not only in Russia. It is well known that the American automatic Mars probe was lost about a year ago because of an annoying mistake by Mission Control personnel. Our Mir is continuing to operate as planned, but the urgency of the question of its remaining in orbit still remains and continues to attract the attention of scientists. In fact, if you talk to the people who are directly involved with the station and who see its significance to science, the thought naturally arises that the decision to sink Mir is more of a political nature than any other. (cont'd in attachment) From JamesOberg@aol.com Sat Jan 6 21:53:19 2001 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:53:19 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Russian Space Scientist Argues Case for Preserving Mir (w/ file!!) --part1_e4.f48c000.2788edcf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JimO: The 5-page attachment is remarkable -- Semyonov is still working on plans to commerciallize and preserve Mir, it seems. Serious and reasonable plans, it might be argued. Russian Space Scientist Argues Case for Preserving Mir Moscow Sovetskaya Rossiya in Russian 04 Jan 01 P 4 [Description of Source: Pro-communist daily sympathetic to CPRF leader Gennadiy Zyuganov.] [Article by Vladimir Melnikov, senior scientific staffer at the Energiya Space Rocket Corporation: "The Last Winter. What Will We Gain and What Will We Lose by Sinking the Soviet Mir?" -- the phrase "Soviet Mir" is a play on the word "mir," which means "world" and also "peace"] The [space] station Mir's brief silence on 26 December last year was presented in a number of the electronic media as yet more confirmation that the station is obsolete. What actually happened? An unplanned situation arose -- a commonplace event in the course of work, an event that can be classified among the so-called expected unplanned situations. This means that mission control center personnel have an action plan worked out for containing and eliminating situations of this kind. Judging from the fact that the station's silence was short-lived and the station is functioning normally, the loss of communications was caused not by a technical hitch but by the human factor, that is, a personnel error and not an equipment breakdown. And that is a very real possibility. Such problems arise from time to time not only in Russia. It is well known that the American automatic Mars probe was lost about a year ago because of an annoying mistake by Mission Control personnel. Our Mir is continuing to operate as planned, but the urgency of the question of its remaining in orbit still remains and continues to attract the attention of scientists. In fact, if you talk to the people who are directly involved with the station and who see its significance to science, the thought naturally arises that the decision to sink Mir is more of a political nature than any other. 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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA== --part1_e4.f48c000.2788edcf_boundary-- From simon@japan.co.jp Mon Jan 8 12:30:13 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 23:30:13 +1100 From: Simon Mansfield simon@japan.co.jp Subject: [FPSPACE] SPACEDAILY HEADLINES - Jan 7, 2001 -------------------------------------------- SPACEDAILY HEADLINES - Jan 7, 2001 http://www.spacedaily.com ----------- QUICK SPACE - Second Shenzhou Spacecraft Launch Imminent http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01a.html - Russia sets January 18 date for Mir's final appointment in space http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010104155926.6zuy0asz.html - Exotic Element Could Fuel Nuclear Fission For Spacecraft http://www.spacedaily.com/news/fuel-01a.html - Scramjets Could Rocket Australia Into 21st Century http://www.spacedaily.com/news/future-01a1.html - Shrinking The Planet To A Few Hours http://www.spacedaily.com/news/future-01a2.html - Repairing Shuttles Glitches On The Fly http://www.spacedaily.com/news/shuttle-01a.html - Globalstar Offers Internet Connection http://www.spacedaily.com/news/internet-01a.html - Japan plans to make space tourism science fact http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010103041148.p6922tud.html - Tapping Into Iridium For A Global Weather Overlay http://www.spacedaily.com/news/iridium-01a.html - SpaceDev Given Go-Ahead on NASA CHIPSat Mission http://www.spacedaily.com/news/microsat-01a.html - Boeing-led Team Awarded $160 Million Milspace Bird http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milspace-comms-01a.html - Indian missile explodes during military demo, one dead http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010104171455.00aa16qu.html - France sets 2.85 billion euro ceiling on M51 missile budget http://www.spacedaily.com/news/001228183303.v05i7aki.html - Most Distant Spacecraft May Soon Get A Shock http://www.spacedaily.com/news/voyager-01a.html ------------------ HEADLINES IN BRIEF Jan 7, 2001 ------------ DRAGON SPACE - Second Shenzhou Spacecraft Launch Imminent http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01a.html Beijing - Jan. 8, 2001 - The second test launch of China's future manned spacecraft is expected to take place before the end of January. In addition to testing all the spacecraft systems, experiments on space remote sensing and environment monitoring, space materials, life sciences, astronomy and physics will be conducted too. - China to launch second unmanned space test flight this month http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010104060943.lrcn10u9.html ------------ STATION NEWS - Russia sets January 18 date for Mir's final appointment in space http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010104155926.6zuy0asz.html Russia has postponed by 48 hours the launch of a Progress supply vessel that will be used to deorbit the doomed space station Mir, space agency officials told AFP Thursday. - Russian PM signs decree for Mir's destruction http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010105133132.sebm504f.html - Russian space officials deny more problems on Mir http://www.spacedaily.com/news/001229143703.l5pkqqg5.html - Emergency crew to go to Mir after new energy failures: report http://www.spacedaily.com/news/001229133709.pzhrtev4.html ---------- TERRADAILY - Salt Lake Helps Test "Sky Eye" http://www.spacedaily.com/news/eo-sats-01a.html Adelaide - Jan. 8, 2001 - A team of CSIRO scientists has just spent a week in a huge barren salt lake in Australia's interior helping to test a new NASA satellite. The team, from CSIRO's Earth Observation Centre, went to Lake Frome, about 500 kilometres north of Adelaide in South Australia. Their goal was to make sure that NASA's latest satellite is working properly. - Melting permafrost threatens Alps, scientists warn http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010104010855.yxb0t65m.html ---------- TECH SPACE - Exotic Element Could Fuel Nuclear Fission For Spacecraft http://www.spacedaily.com/news/fuel-01a.html Beer-Sheva - Jan. 8, 2001 - Scientists at Ben-Gurion University of the Negev have shown that an unusual nuclear fuel could speed space vehicles from Earth to Mars in as little as two weeks. Standard chemical propulsion used in existing spacecraft currently takes from between eight to ten months to make the same trip. - Scramjets Could Rocket Australia Into 21st Century http://www.spacedaily.com/news/future-01a1.html Sydney - Jan. 8, 2001 - Dr. Allan Paull and his crew at the University of Queensland's Centre for Hypersonics are about to make the first test flight of their brand new toy - the world's first operational scramjet. If the thing works, the UQ scramjet will be the fastest air-breathing engine ever built, capable of pushing aircraft along at up to ten times the speed of sound. - Shrinking The Planet To A Few Hours http://www.spacedaily.com/news/future-01a2.html Sydney - Jan. 8, 2001 - Sydney to London. Frankfurt to Melbourne. Brisbane to Capetown. These are long flights. Not just long in distance, but necessarily involving many long hours of sitting in one place, squirming around a pokey seat trying to get some sleep while some clown behind you sings Welsh rugby songs and an 18-month-old with a brand new tooth howls her way across the entire Indian Ocean. - Repairing Shuttles Glitches On The Fly http://www.spacedaily.com/news/shuttle-01a.html Ann Arbor - Jan. 8, 2001 - Ever stop and think about the millions of dollars spent on fancy space equipment that breaks down once it becomes airborne? If you are millions of miles away orbiting the Earth, there's no repairman available to fix the problem. --------- SPACEMART - Globalstar Offers Internet Connection http://www.spacedaily.com/news/internet-01a.html San Francisco - Jan. 8, 2001 - Globalstar has begun offering access to the Internet via Globalstar in North America. This marks the first packet data service available through the Globalstar network and opens a range of possible consumer and industrial applications. - Japan plans to make space tourism science fact http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010103041148.p6922tud.html ---------- TERRADAILY - Tapping Into Iridium For A Global Weather Overlay http://www.spacedaily.com/news/iridium-01a.html Laurel - Jan 7, 2001 - Researchers at The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory, Laurel, Md., (APL) are now able to simultaneously measure the magnetic and electrical fields over large areas of the ionosphere above the Earth's polar regions, providing the first continuous monitoring of electric currents between space and the upper atmosphere and generating the first maps of electric power flowing into the polar upper atmosphere. -------------- MICROSAT BLITZ - SpaceDev Given Go-Ahead on NASA CHIPSat Mission http://www.spacedaily.com/news/microsat-01a.html Poway - Jan 7, 2001 - SpaceDev in cooperation with the University of California Berkeley's Space Sciences Laboratory has won funding of $5 million for CHIPSat - the first University Explorer mission funded by the NASA Explorers Office. -------- SPACEWAR - Boeing-led Team Awarded $160 Million Milspace Bird http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milspace-comms-01a.html El Segundo - Jan. 3, 2001 - A satellite communications industry team led by Boeing has been awarded a $160.3 million contract to develop the Wideband Gapfiller Satellite (WGS) system. WGS is a high-capacity satellite communications system to support the warfighter with newer and far greater capabilities than provided by current systems. - Indian missile explodes during military demo, one dead http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010104171455.00aa16qu.html - Boeing wins satellite contract worth 1.3 billion dollars http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010104022533.gypigxhx.html - France sets 2.85 billion euro ceiling on M51 missile budget http://www.spacedaily.com/news/001228183303.v05i7aki.html ------------- SPACE SCIENCE - Most Distant Spacecraft May Soon Get A Shock http://www.spacedaily.com/news/voyager-01a.html Pasadena - Jan. 7, 2001 - A NASA spacecraft headed out of the solar system at a speed that would streak from New York to Los Angeles in less than four minutes could reach the first main feature of the boundary between our solar system and interstellar space within three years. From dstdba@post4.tele.dk Sun Jan 7 20:09:52 2001 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 21:09:52 +0100 From: Jens Kieffer-Olsen dstdba@post4.tele.dk Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: Russian Space Scientist Argues Case for Preserving Mir >JimO: The 5-page attachment is remarkable -- Semyonov is still working on >plans to commerciallize and preserve Mir, it seems. Serious and reasonable >plans, it might be argued. > > [Article by Vladimir Melnikov, senior scientific staffer at the >Energiya Space Rocket Corporation: "The Last Winter. What Will We Gain and >What Will We Lose by Sinking the Soviet Mir?" -- the phrase "Soviet Mir" is a >play on the word "mir," which means "world" and also "peace"] [snip] >Let us ponder what awaits us after the sinking of Mir. Under the auspices of the >European Space Agency ESA and with the active participation of RKK Energiya >specialists, a European cargo ship is being developed. Its purpose is to provide >cargo links with the ISS and in two or three years it will totally replace Russia's >Progress. Naturally the European ship will be put into orbit not by a Russian Soyuz >rocket but by the French Ariane. So production of the Progress at RKK Energiya >and the Soyuz launcher in Samara will begin to be wound up. In the ISS program it Sounds to me as if V. Melnikov is overly pessimistic. If ESA is to contribute their fair share, they sure have to start somewhere. Maybe g-n Melnikov sees the intern- ational space effort as a cake to be divided, the more contenders the smaller each slice. However, there is no shortage of worthwhile endeavours waiting to be carried out in space, and the scope of a joint effort such as ISS is bound to grow way beyond the sum of each individual contribution. The motto for the 16 partners pooling their space efforts for the benefit of all mankind could well have been E Pluribus Unum! Out of many small steps, one giant leap! >is planned to use the Russian Soyuz ship as a rescue ship. But it is well known that >work has already begun in the United States on developing their own shuttle rescue >ship. And there can be no doubt that in three to five years' time that ship will totally >replace Soyuz in the ISS program. So the production of Soyuz transport ships at As I understand it the US rescue vehicle has a larger capacity than Soyuz. Melnikov needs to think ahead to the next phase of space exploration, since although a couple of Soyuz'es could provide emergency for an ISS-crew of 6, it is naive not to plan for an inflated headcount following the inclusion of Transhab and other modules. Besides, it's hard to imagine an inexpensive and reliable two-way ferry such as Soyuz to lose its competitive edge. >RKK Energiya will also begin to be wound up! That leaves commercial launches of >Western satellites by Protons and modified Soyuz launchers. At the beginning of >December this year the United States even announced the lifting of quotas on the >launch of foreign satellites by Russian rockets as a "reward" for the Russian Govern- >ment's taking positive steps toward the nonproliferation of rocket technologies. But >not many people noticed one report to the effect that the lifting of quotas on Proton >launches was directly linked to the release of the US spy R. Pope [initial as published] >from jail. And if that is so, then presumably the US government's gesture is a temporary >measure and in the next year or two everything will return to the way it was in terms of ' >quotas. And that means that the Khrunichev Center will also lose out. > So in five or a maximum of seven years after the sinking of Mir, Russian cosmonautics >will be gradually reduced to nothing and will no longer be any use to anyone. And the >Russian Federation Government will have to tackle yet another job-finding problem for >tens, maybe hundreds, of thousands of highly qualified scientists, engineers, and workers >who will be thrown out onto the streets with nothing to do. Space technologies will be lost >beyond recall and regaining them in the future would require many tens of billions of rubles. Let's hope that the world will not suffer such a setback! Many of us already know that we shan't be around for the ticker-tape parade to cheer the first men on Mars, but such a dismal scenario has me worried, whether we shall even be around when the Moon is revisited! -- Jens Kieffer-Olsen > From simon@japan.co.jp Tue Jan 9 01:55:17 2001 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 12:55:17 +1100 From: Simon Mansfield simon@japan.co.jp Subject: [FPSPACE] SPACEDAILY HEADLINES - Jan 9, 2001 -------------------------------------------- SPACEDAILY HEADLINES - Jan 9, 2001 http://www.spacedaily.com ----------- QUICK SPACE - Launch of Russian rocket carrying US satellite cancelled http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010109000239.nfa1tqsn.html - Weather forces postponement of Ariane launch http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010108230745.8asvsqey.html - APT Satellite signs 230 million US dollar deal for new satellite http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010108085209.0ue6l1jt.html - China Completes First Satellite Navigation System http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01b.html - China Eyes Anti-Satellite System http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01c.html - Khrunichev Developing Bigger Space Truck For ISS http://www.spacedaily.com/news/iss-01a.html - Next Mars Odyssey Moves A Step Closer With Arrival At KSC http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mars-odyssey-01a.html - The Case of the Missing Mars Water http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mars-water-science-01a.html - Boeing Gets OK to Build 11th UHF Follow-On Satellite http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milspace-comms-01b.html - Stardust Ready For Earth Gravity Assist http://www.spacedaily.com/news/stardust-01a.html - U.Arkansas Targets Asteroid Sample Return Mission http://www.spacedaily.com/news/asteroid-01a.html - ESA Gives Green Light To New Rocket Program http://www.spacedaily.com/news/booster-01a.html ------------------ HEADLINES IN BRIEF Jan 9, 2001 ------------ DRAGON SPACE - China Completes First Satellite Navigation System http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01b.html Beijing - Jan. 8, 2000 - China has successfully deployed the second of a twin-bird satellite navigation system. Launch of BNTS-1B took place Dec 21, and follows the successful launch of BNTS-1 on Oct. 31. Called the Beidou Navigation System (BNS), China is now looking at a second generation system to provide coverage across China. - China Eyes Anti-Satellite System http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01c.html Hong Kong - Jan. 8, 2000 - China is quietly developing an antisatellite (ASAT) system which has recently completed ground testing, a local newspaper reported last Friday (Jan. 5). --------- SPACEMART - Khrunichev Developing Bigger Space Truck For ISS http://www.spacedaily.com/news/iss-01a.html Moscow (Interfax) Jan. 8, 2001 - The Khrunichev Space Center is developing new heavy freighters for flights to the International Space Station, director general Anatoly Kiselyov told Interfax. --------- MARSDAILY - Next Mars Odyssey Moves A Step Closer With Arrival At KSC http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mars-odyssey-01a.html KSC - Jan. 5, 2001 - The first major step toward NASA's return of a spacecraft to an orbit around Mars was achieved late Thursday night, Jan. 4, when the Mars Odyssey spacecraft arrived at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida. - The Case of the Missing Mars Water http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mars-water-science-01a.html Moffett Field - Jan. 8, 2001 - Mars may once have been a very wet place. A host of clues remain from an earlier era, billions of years ago, hinting that the Red Planet was host to great rivers, lakes and perhaps even an ocean. But some of the clues are contradictory -- they don't all fit together in a coherent whole. Little wonder, then, that the fate of water on Mars is such a hotly debated topic. -------- SPACEWAR - Boeing Gets OK to Build 11th UHF Follow-On Satellite http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milspace-comms-01b.html El Segundo - Jan. 8, 2001 - The U.S. Navy has authorized Boeing Satellite Systems Inc. (BSS) to begin production of the 11th in a series of UHF Follow-On (UFO) satellites, which provide global communications for the armed forces. BSS is a unit of Boeing. ------------- SPACE SCIENCE - Stardust Ready For Earth Gravity Assist http://www.spacedaily.com/news/stardust-01a.html Seattle - Jan. 8, 2001 - As it completes the first of three "laps" of about a billion miles each around the heart of the Solar System, the Stardust spacecraft is getting ready for a "pit stop" of sorts, flying by Earth in mid-January for a gravitational speed boost. The added energy will put Stardust on course to meet comet Wild 2 in January 2004. - U.Arkansas Targets Asteroid Sample Return Mission http://www.spacedaily.com/news/asteroid-01a.html Fayetteville - Jan 8, 2001 - In the wake of NASA's successful Near-Earth Asteroid Rendezvous space mission, a University of Arkansas researcher is putting together a team of scientists to take asteroid research to the next level -- bringing asteroid samples back to Earth. ---------- TECH SPACE - ESA Gives Green Light To New Rocket Program http://www.spacedaily.com/news/booster-01a.html Paris - Jan. 8, 2001 - The Vega Small Launcher Development programme and the P80 Advanced Solid Propulsion Stage Demonstrator programme were formally approved on December 15 by the participating States. From lklaes@bbn.com Tue Jan 9 15:23:16 2001 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 10:23:16 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] How deeply has this gotten into the Russian space program? The URL: http://www.theconnection.org/archive/2001/01/0109a.shtml From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Tue Jan 9 17:10:00 2001 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 12:10:00 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] New report, militarization of space The man that president-elect Bush has selected as his Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, just chaired a panel on the future of the US military in space. That report is due to be released this week. If this Washington Post article about the report is accurate, it sounds like Rumsfeld's panel produced an intelligent report. (One of the biggest problems with this subject is that the strongest advocates have ignored the fact that the US is the country with the most to lose in space. So we should be more concerned with protecting our own satellites than shooting at other peoples' satellites.) I snipped the back half of the article. DDAY ********************* http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34262-2001Jan8.html Rumsfeld Panel to Propose Councils to Safeguard Satellites By Walter Pincus Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, January 9, 2001; Page A24 A commission chaired by Donald H. Rumsfeld, President-elect Bush's nominee for secretary of defense, will recommend the creation of top-level posts to cope with foreign threats against U.S. satellites in orbit, people close to the commission said yesterday. The panel's approximately 100-page report, which is to be made public this week, stops short of calling for a new branch of the armed forces devoted to the military uses of space. That may disappoint some members of Congress who favor a so-called Space Force. But the Rumsfeld Commission will recommend steps to highlight the military importance of space, including re-establishment of a National Space Council in the White House and creation of a Defense Space Council at the Pentagon. There was a National Space Council, chaired by former vice president Dan Quayle, during the previous Bush administration, but it was dissolved by President Clinton. In addition to resurrecting the White House space panel, the Rumsfeld Commission wants to add a presidential special assistant for space on the National Security Council staff. [snipped] From HHJanssenWTM@t-online.de Tue Jan 9 19:57:26 2001 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:57:26 +0100 From: HHJanssenWTM HHJanssenWTM@t-online.de Subject: [FPSPACE] Lunar eclipse Hi, all this evening, we could view in the northwest of Germany a lunar eclipse, the one and only for this year in Western Europe. There are currently no clouds and so it looks very good. Best wishes Heinz Janssen, Wittmund, Germany From simon@japan.co.jp Tue Jan 9 20:36:50 2001 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:36:50 +1100 From: Simon Mansfield simon@japan.co.jp Subject: [FPSPACE] China Launches Second Shenzhou Test Flight ------------ DRAGON SPACE - China Launches Second Shenzhou Test Flight http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01d.html Beijing (AFP) Jan. 10, 2001 - China's fledgling space programme launched an unmanned test flight early Wednesday, the second in a series expected to lead to a first manned space voyage as early as next year. The state Xinhua news agency announced Shenzhou II blasted off from Jiuquan in northwest China, carrying a number of unidentified animals, and entered a preset orbit. From JamesOberg@aol.com Tue Jan 9 20:48:21 2001 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:48:21 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] FLASH: China Launches Second Shenzhou Test Flight DRAGON SPACE - China Launches Second Shenzhou Test Flight http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01d.html Beijing (AFP) Jan. 10, 2001 - China's fledgling space programme launched an unmanned test flight early Wednesday, the second in a series expected to lead to a first manned space voyage as early as next year. The state Xinhua news agency announced Shenzhou II blasted off from Jiuquan in northwest China, carrying a number of unidentified animals, and entered a preset orbit. From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Tue Jan 9 22:38:34 2001 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 17:38:34 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] China Launches Second Shenzhou Test Flight > DRAGON SPACE > - China Launches Second Shenzhou Test Flight > http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01d.html > > Beijing (AFP) Jan. 10, 2001 - China's fledgling space programme launched an > unmanned test flight early Wednesday, the second in a series expected to > lead to a first manned space voyage as early as next year. The state Xinhua > news agency announced Shenzhou II blasted off from Jiuquan in northwest > China, carrying a number of unidentified animals, and entered a preset orbit. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ My guess: -two pandas -a water buffalo -and a giraffe DDAY From WSpaceport@aol.com Tue Jan 9 22:59:32 2001 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:59:32 EST From: WSpaceport@aol.com WSpaceport@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Programming Note: MSNBC Special -- Future of Space, 15 years after STS-51L --part1_80.546d37b.278cf1d4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI -- MSNBC will air a special report this Sunday (January 14) at 10 p.m. Eastern (7 p.m. Pacific) on the lessons learned -- and what still needs to be done -- 15 years after the "Challenger" tragedy. Check your local cable TV listings. . . Regards, Jim Spellman NSS/Western Spaceport Chapter (whose "day job" -- overnight shift, actually -- is with an NBC affiliate station. . .) --part1_80.546d37b.278cf1d4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI --

MSNBC will air a special report this Sunday (January 14) at 10 p.m. Eastern
(7 p.m. Pacific) on the lessons learned -- and what still needs to be done --
15 years after the "Challenger" tragedy.

Check your local cable TV listings. . .

Regards,

Jim Spellman
NSS/Western Spaceport Chapter
(whose "day job" -- overnight shift, actually -- is with an NBC affiliate
station. . .) --part1_80.546d37b.278cf1d4_boundary-- From WSpaceport@aol.com Tue Jan 9 22:59:32 2001 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:59:32 EST From: WSpaceport@aol.com WSpaceport@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Programming Note: MSNBC Special -- Future of Space, 15 years after STS-51L --part1_80.546d37b.278cf1d4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI -- MSNBC will air a special report this Sunday (January 14) at 10 p.m. Eastern (7 p.m. Pacific) on the lessons learned -- and what still needs to be done -- 15 years after the "Challenger" tragedy. Check your local cable TV listings. . . Regards, Jim Spellman NSS/Western Spaceport Chapter (whose "day job" -- overnight shift, actually -- is with an NBC affiliate station. . .) --part1_80.546d37b.278cf1d4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI --

MSNBC will air a special report this Sunday (January 14) at 10 p.m. Eastern
(7 p.m. Pacific) on the lessons learned -- and what still needs to be done --
15 years after the "Challenger" tragedy.

Check your local cable TV listings. . .

Regards,

Jim Spellman
NSS/Western Spaceport Chapter
(whose "day job" -- overnight shift, actually -- is with an NBC affiliate
station. . .) --part1_80.546d37b.278cf1d4_boundary-- From simon@japan.co.jp Wed Jan 10 00:54:28 2001 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:54:28 +1100 From: Simon Mansfield simon@japan.co.jp Subject: [FPSPACE] SPACEDAILY HEADLINES - Jan 10, 2001 -------------------------------------------- SPACEDAILY HEADLINES - Jan 10, 2001 ----------- QUICK SPACE - China Launches Unmanned Test Flight http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01d.html - Peace Groups Call For Senate To Reject Defence Secretary Nominee http://www.spacedaily.com/news/bmdo-01a.html - DS1 Prepares To Restart Ion Engine http://www.spacedaily.com/news/deep1-01a.html - U.S. Air Force Powers NASA's Land-Imaging Satellite http://www.spacedaily.com/news/eo-01a.html - Russia Forms Commission To Oversee Mir Deorbiting http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mir-01a.html - Russia Plans 29 Launches in 2001 http://www.spacedaily.com/news/russia-space-general-01a.html - ESA Considers Opening Kourou To Russian Launchers http://www.spacedaily.com/news/russia-space-general-01b.html - Senior Russian Space Official To Be Replaced http://www.spacedaily.com/news/russia-space-general-01c.html - Cause of Carrier Rocket Accident Still Unknown http://www.spacedaily.com/news/russia-space-general-01d.html ------------------ HEADLINES IN BRIEF Jan 10, 2001 ------------ DRAGON SPACE - China Launches Unmanned Space Test Flight http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01d.html Beijing (AFP) Jan. 10, 2001 - China's fledgling space programme launched an unmanned test flight early Wednesday, the second in a series expected to lead to a first manned space voyage as early as next year. The state Xinhua news agency announced that Shenzhou II blasted off from Jiuquan in northwest China with a number of unidentified animals, and entered a preset orbit. -------- SPACEWAR - Peace Groups Call For Senate To Reject Defence Secretary Nominee http://www.spacedaily.com/news/bmdo-01a.html Washington - Jan 10, 2001 - The Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space and Veterans for Peace, with the support of peace groups around the world, are calling on the U.S. Senate to reject the appointment of Donald Rumsfeld as the next U.S. Secretary of Defense charging that he is a "Star Wars zealot" who will cause a new arms race and ultimately war in space. ---------- TECH SPACE - DS1 Prepares To Restart Ion Engine http://www.spacedaily.com/news/deep1-01a.html Pasadena - Jan. 10, 2001 - Nearly seven months after the completion of an extraordinary rescue, DS1 continues operating splendidly on its journey in deep space as the mission team prepares to fire up DS1's ion engine. ---------- TECH SPACE - U.S. Air Force Powers NASA's Land-Imaging Satellite http://www.spacedaily.com/news/eo-01a.html Kirtland AFB - Jan 10, 2001 - Launched November 21 from Vandenberg AFB, Calif., aboard the first in a series of NASA Earth Observing (EO) satellites was the Air Force Research Laboratory's (AFRL) Lightweight Flexible Solar Array (LFSA). ------------ STATION NEWS - Russia Forms Commission To Oversee Mir Deorbiting http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mir-01a.html Moscow (Interfax) Jan. 10, 2001 - Russia's Mir space station will be taken out of orbit and sunk in the Pacific Ocean in February-March 2001, according to a resolution signed by Prime Minister Mikhail Kasyanov on December 30, the Russian Aerospace Agency told Interfax. --------- SPACEMART - Russia Plans 29 Launches in 2001 http://www.spacedaily.com/news/russia-space-general-01a.html Moscow (Interfax) Jan. 10, 2001 - Russia intends to launch some 29 space vehicles this year, the press service for the Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN) told Interfax. Twenty-two space vehicles will be launched from the Baikonur space center in Kazakhstan, six from the space center at Plesetsk and one from the Svobodny space center in Russia's Far East. The total number of vehicles launched does not include those to be launched from the Sea Launch space center, the press service for the Strategic Missile Force noted. --------- SPACEMART - ESA Considers Opening Kourou To Russian Launchers http://www.spacedaily.com/news/russia-space-general-01b.html Moscow (Interfax) Jan. 10, 2001 - The European Space Agency will sit down in March to consider the possibility of Russian Soyuz rockets being launched from the Kourou launch site in French Guiana. --------- SPACEMART - Senior Russian Space Official To Be Replaced http://www.spacedaily.com/news/russia-space-general-01c.html Moscow (Interfax) Jan. 10, 2001 - The replacement of the general director of Russia's Khrunichev State Space Science and Production Center, Anatoly Kiselyev, seems inevitable, a source from the aerospace industry told Interfax. --------- SPACEMART - Cause of Carrier Rocket Accident Still Unknown http://www.spacedaily.com/news/russia-space-general-01d.html Moscow (Interfax) Jan. 10, 2001 - A Russian government commission has so far been unable to determine the cause of the accident involving a Kosmos-3M booster-rocket carrying the U.S.-made satellite 'Quick Bird' launched November 21 from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in the Arkhangelsk region in northern Russia. From JamesOberg@aol.com Wed Jan 10 04:23:28 2001 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 23:23:28 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] NASA misses congressional reporting deadline on Russian involvement in space sta http://www.flatoday.com/news/space/stories/2001a/jan/spa011001c.htm Jan. 10, 2001 By Larry Wheeler FLORIDA TODAY WASHINGTON - The nation's civilian space agency, locked in a dysfunctional partnership with Russia to build the International Space Station, failed to file a congressionally mandated status report on the orbiting outpost last week. In an attempt to more closely monitor the $60 billion project and prevent additional delays, Congress passed legislation in October requiring NASA report on Russia's performance every 60 days. A week beyond the initial deadline, NASA has yet to comply with the law. The failure drew criticism from the congressman who helped write the accountability requirement into the NASA Authorization Act of 2000. ''Stonewalling this issue is unacceptable,'' said Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., chairman of the House Space and Aeronautics Subcommittee. (more) From JamesOberg@aol.com Wed Jan 10 04:30:39 2001 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 23:30:39 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] NASA to withhold ISS "Ships Log" from public >From a status message sent out to NASA and contractor ISS program office staff: > Notes from today's staff: > > * The Ships Log, sent down almost daily from the ISS crew, will no > longer be available on the web due to legal concerns with the freedom of > information act. A process will be put in place to make them available to > those who need it, IMC, Flt control team, etc. From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Wed Jan 10 07:25:58 2001 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 02:25:58 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] NASA to withhold ISS "Ships Log" from public On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 JamesOberg@aol.com wrote: > From a status message sent out to NASA and contractor ISS program office > staff: > > * The Ships Log, sent down almost daily from the ISS crew, will no > > longer be available on the web due to legal concerns with the freedom of > > information act. A process will be put in place to make them available to > > those who need it, IMC, Flt control team, etc. I interpret this as meaning that somebody realized that data in the log contains personal information (crew medical records) and that this is protected by the Privacy Act. That's not surprising. I imagine that if you filed a FOIA for the ship's log, you would probably get most of it, except for the medical data. Just a guess. DDAY From simon@japan.co.jp Wed Jan 10 07:17:36 2001 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:17:36 +1100 From: Simon Mansfield simon@japan.co.jp Subject: [FPSPACE] Get Ready For Mir The Sequel ------------ LATE EDITION - Get Ready For Mir The Sequel http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mir-01a.html Moscow (AFP) Jan. 10, 2001 - Russia's Space Agency, creators of the 14-year-old Mir, announced Wednesday it plans to replace the soon-to-be-destroyed station with a new one, the ITAR-TASS news agency reported. From simon@japan.co.jp Wed Jan 10 07:30:22 2001 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:30:22 +1100 From: Simon Mansfield simon@japan.co.jp Subject: [FPSPACE] Shenzhou Updates Hi all, I'm updating our reports on SpaceDaily as soon as they come in from Beijing. - China Launches Second Shenzhou Test Flight http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01e.html previous report. - China Launches Unmanned Space Test Flight http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01d.html We expect to get more reports later tonight and will publish these as they come to hand. regards, Simon From brharvey@iol.ie Wed Jan 10 15:39:14 2001 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:39:14 -0800 From: Brian Harvey brharvey@iol.ie Subject: [FPSPACE] Shenzhou 2 pictures, more details Pictures of the Shenzhou launch, with further details on the mission, are on Beijing's English language daily at: www.chinadaily.com.cn Brian Harvey Dublin, Ireland From chenlan@mbox2.singnet.com.sg Wed Jan 10 12:24:58 2001 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:24:58 +0800 From: Chen Lan chenlan@mbox2.singnet.com.sg Subject: [FPSPACE] Shenzhou 2 news Shenzhou 2 news on my site at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/1921/index.htm or http://www.geocities.com/chenlan64/index.htm Chen Lan Go Taikonauts! ============== [January 10, 2001] More Details About the Shenzhou 2 Launch Chinese media call Shenzhou 2 "the first unammned spaceship", comparing to Shenzhou-1's "Exprimental spaceship". This difference shows that Shenzhou 2 has been equipped with full functional systems, as claimed by Chinese reports that it is "basically identical to a manned spacecraft". The Chinese TV footprint shows a computer rendered animation in which the second pair of solar panel on the obital module is fully deployed. A report mentioned that among differences with Shenzhou 1, a new "stay-in-orbit operation" expriment will be conducted this time, which suggests the orbital module, with independent power supply, will stay in orbit for more testing. Another report says the Yuan Wang fleet will work for seven days in remote oceans but has no indication of the re-entry date. Regarding animals carried in the capsule, they are unlikely big animals like monkey, as one report says all these animals are carried in 3 boxes, instead of on the seat. [January 10, 2001] Shenzhou 2 Status As the first space launch of the Millennium, Shenzhou 2 launch was assigned the International Designator of 2001-001. Ten minutes after the launch, Shenzhou 2 was separated from the second stage of CZ-2F and entered an orbit of 197km x 335km with inclination of 42.58 degree. There are observation reports on the Internet. Paul Maley in Houston reported that he found the spacecraft using a binoculars just six and half hour after the launch. The spacecraft was at magnitude +2 to +3.5 and can be seen by naked eye. From cpvick@fas.org Wed Jan 10 12:39:12 2001 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:39:12 -0500 From: Charles P. Vick cpvick@fas.org Subject: [FPSPACE] Second Unmanned flight test of Shenzhou manned Space Craft Prototype. Second Unmanned flight test of Shenzhou manned Space Craft Prototype. 01-09-01 By Charles P. Vick The fact that this PRC manned effort is so protracted out that one is left with the impression that the only viable conclusion that it is greatly underfunded and stretched out with in the present and new five year plans. One does wonder if it is not also partially dependent on Western commercial satellite business for some of its economic support. The cut off of license support, now temporarily suspended, from the US this last year could perhaps now be reflect in this programs funding to a degree. However I personally believe they are partially bogged down in detail systems development integration. I further suspect that beyond the final systems integration they are now trying to make sure that this flight is a complete all up systems demonstration to cut development time and cost that is innate in a underfunded limited budget program. I am sure that the PRC's leadership will not tolerate the expense of a lot of flight test for this prestige technological catch up program. The first unmanned flight test was not a full up systems flight test based on what is known. They have said that they will do the manned space launch and perhaps a little more within the next five year plan starting on January 1, 2001. I think this is realistic with in what appears to be taking place. If they are successful with this all systems up flight test with a mission duration of 3 to 7 days then almost certainly a more ambitious mission demonstration could perhaps be expected in the fall of 2001 or the spring of 2002 followed perhps by a manned mission by the fall of 2002. This infact may be premature as it could easily slip into 2003 depending on the test results with perhaps a total of four unmanned flights required before finally flying it manned. This is my best guesstimate based on the pacing of the program as I see it now. Some of this will also depend on the political leadership 's desires and need from their viewpoint. They then might try to accomplish as Soyuz-4/5 class mission and long duration mission before the end of the upcoming five year plan. Ultimately their long term goal is a duel purpose manned space station perhaps to supplement military needs but only time will answer this. Yes they could eventually try and create a third world cooperative manned space effort as a counter to ISS but by that time the next international cooperative manned lunar base effort will be underway leaving them well behind the international community. The industry aerospace command economy could not do what it does if it were not for the support of the capitalist economic zones added monies. Innately that Command Economy has the major problem of being able to absorb new technology with in its industrial economy. IE: It takes them time with a great deal of effort to assimilate new hardware technology. One they have to understand it, two they have to create the industry to produce it and third they have to then learn to develop their own variations on that technology for the particular application. It is not unusual for this to take as much as five to seven years to be accomplished. Their obtaining of Russian Soyuz technology and then developing their own larger variant spacecraft has taken a long time and they are far from completing it full potential extrapolation. It also helps to understand that the Chief Designers General of the program educated at MAI has no control over the funding of the program which only the ministries receive. To do anything beyond what is already in the planned economy requires a long spiteful process through the ministries to the State planning organs and ultimate approval at the leadership level for anything needed. That is unless the Chief Designer General has political access to the leadership which I suspect he does based on post mission report imagery evidence. How significant is the PRC's manned space effort has several facets to it. One they need to do this if they are ever to be a part of any future international space efforts. Not merely must they develop the hardware but the must also demonstrate the experience and reliability required to join such an effort. Having been refused access to the ISS program for their failure to join the MTRC signatories will continues to shut the door to their future international participation until the PRC's leadership's cleans its act up and gets smart among other things. The PRC's potential space threat issues and competition pose a serious potential competitive issue that will in the future years have to be directly addressed since it is the apparent potential new second Cold War competitor. Issues raised in the recent 68 page National Intelligence Council document, certainly relates to issues that a new National Aeronautics and Space Council under the Office of Science and Technology Policy in the new administration must address concerning the PRC's space trends. Certainly the recently released White Paper of the PRC on its space Policy planning only reflects essentially the civil or duel purpose side for Western consumption verses the military side of their space policy planning. On the other hand if the PRC's leadership were to choose to get smart and join the MTCR and clean up the Human Rights issues and stop or seriously curtain the developing nuclear threat by joining the nuclear none proliferation treaty and the Start-III treaty negotiations then it could potentially become a part of future Lunar Base and Manned Mars efforts which will ultimately have to be a global effort simply because of the foreign policy issues that all space programs are tied to and the over whelming cost involved. All the best, Charles P. Vick _______________________ Charles P. Vick Research Analyst Federation of American Scientists phone: (202) 675-1025 fax: (202) 675-1024 email: cpvick@fas.org http://www.fas.org/ From lklaes@bbn.com Wed Jan 10 13:18:59 2001 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:18:59 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] NASA to withhold ISS "Ships Log" from public At 11:30 PM 01/09/2001 EST, JamesOberg@aol.com wrote: > >>From a status message sent out to NASA and contractor ISS program office >staff: > >> Notes from today's staff: >> >> * The Ships Log, sent down almost daily from the ISS crew, will no >> longer be available on the web due to legal concerns with the freedom of >> information act. A process will be put in place to make them available to >> those who need it, IMC, Flt control team, etc. > Sixty billion dollars and we can't even read the ISS log? What is the real deal here? From dave@raq67.hiwaay.net Wed Jan 10 13:48:41 2001 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:48:41 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Dooling dave@raq67.hiwaay.net Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: NASA to withhold ISS "Ships Log" from public Sounds like NAASA indeed has learned a lot from the Russians. :( D2 From JamesOberg@aol.com Wed Jan 10 14:28:29 2001 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:28:29 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Get Ready For Mir The Sequel In a message dated 1/10/01 2:57:42 AM Central Standard Time, simon@japan.co.jp writes: << Moscow (AFP) Jan. 10, 2001 - Russia's Space Agency, creators of the 14-year-old Mir, announced Wednesday it plans to replace the soon-to-be-destroyed station with a new one, the ITAR-TASS news agency reported. >> The actual report says, > [In a sepatate report at 0425 gmt on 9 January ITAR-TASS quoted Semenov as > saying that the MirCorp corporation is going to build a small space station > for commercial purposes, That's not a new Mir, it's a replacement for the UDM module promised by RSA to the ISS. However, it will also have free-flier capability, Mircorp plans. From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Wed Jan 10 16:01:47 2001 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:01:47 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Get Ready For Mir The Sequel On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 JamesOberg@aol.com wrote: > That's not a new Mir, it's a replacement for the UDM module promised by RSA > to the ISS. However, it will also have free-flier capability, Mircorp plans. That raises an interesting question: don't the ISS partners have to agree to a "free-flier capability"? After all, if Russia is obligated to build a module for ISS, then the partners would want an assurance that it isn't just going to fly off whenever someone wants. I raise this issue because it is reminiscent of the old European "Columbus" module of the early 1990s. ESA kept talking about building Columbus so that it could be detached, presumably to become the core of an ESA space station. NASA said "No way. Either you are part of the space station or you are not. We don't want a setup where you can suddenly take your toys and leave." Columbus was abandoned. DDAY From svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Wed Jan 10 20:40:23 2001 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:40:23 +0100 From: Sven Grahn svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Subject: [FPSPACE] Shenzhou-2 has maneuvered The initial orbit of Shenzhou-2 was 196.5-333.8 km. NASA;s OIG website just shows that the new orbit is 327.7-332.7 km (epoch at 19:58:40 UT, today 10 Jan). So, it is changing orbits! Sven Grahn ---------------------------------------------------- Mr Sven Grahn | Kettering Group Rattviksvagen 44, S-192 71 Sollentuna, Sweden Tel: +46 8 7541904, svengrahn@wineasy.se http://www.users.wineasy.se/svengrahn/ ---------------------------------------------------- From psclark@dircon.co.uk Wed Jan 10 20:54:17 2001 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:54:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Phillip Clark psclark@dircon.co.uk Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: Shenzhou-2 has maneuvered On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Sven Grahn wrote: > The initial orbit of Shenzhou-2 was 196.5-333.8 km. NASA;s OIG website just > shows that the new orbit is 327.7-332.7 km (epoch at 19:58:40 UT, today 10 > Jan). So, it is changing orbits! > Sven Grahn I have just e-mailed the following to various correspondents. The repeating orbit discussion was sent out at about 01.00 GMT today and has been added to back up the repeating pattern. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTE: The post-manoeuvre orbit is very close to the 31 circuit repeater in the table below. So, what does this mean ? Shen Zhou 1 was in orbit for 21h 11min: so for ~7 days in orbit this means three cycles of (2d -52.3 min), or a predicted lifetime of 162 hours 34 minutes. Let's see how far wrong this figure is ! ========================================================================== Catalogue Orbital Orbital Orbital Perigee Apogee Arg of Number Epoch Inclination Period Perigee deg min km km deg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2001-001A SHEN ZHOU 2 26664 2001 Jan 9.88 42.61 89.84 197 336 130 26664 2001 Jan 10.01 42.58 89.84 198 335 131 26664 2001 Jan 10.08 42.58 89.83 197 335 132 26664 2001 Jan 10.14 42.58 89.83 198 334 132 26664 2001 Jan 10.25 42.58 89.82 198 334 133 26664 2001 Jan 10.40 42.58 89.81 197 333 134 26664 2001 Jan 10.83 42.58 91.16 329 334 209 2001-001B CZ-2F SECOND STAGE 26665 2001 Jan 9.94 42.58 89.80 199 330 130 26665 2001 Jan 10.19 42.57 89.77 197 328 132 26665 2001 Jan 10.25 42.58 89.76 197 328 133 26665 2001 Jan 10.26 42.58 89.76 197 328 133 26665 2001 Jan 10.37 42.58 89.75 197 327 134 ========================================================================== The following table is extracted from my CHINESE SPACE ACTIVITIES 1996-2000 report and shows the repeating orbit patterns for the Shen Zhou orbital inclination of 42.6 deg. I have assumed a slightly eccentric orbit, but the value is so low that it should net affect the results to a noticeable effect. Shen Zhou 2's initial orbit is 197-336 km, so I am thinking of how it could manoeuvre. If it manoeuvres about 24 hours after launch then for a landing after a lifetime of ~7 days they would need either a 2-days or 3-days repeater: to repeat after 31 orbits we could expect the spacecraft to circularise its orbit at roughly the apogee altitude: to repeat after 47 orbits you would have an orbit a little lower than the initial apogee. So ..... and this is guesswork - I would guess that of all of the manoeuvres that they could do, the Chinese might go for one of these two repeating patterns. Of course, this could be completely wrong ....... Phil Incl Eccentricity Circuits Period Altitude Ground Interval o min km Track, deg d min 42.6 0.00100 16 88.253 181 - 195 22.500 1 -28.0 42.6 0.00100 79 89.416 239 - 252 22.785 5 -136.1 42.6 0.00100 63 89.712 254 - 267 22.857 4 -108.2 42.6 0.00100 47 90.208 278 - 291 22.979 3 -80.2 42.6 0.00100 78 90.609 298 - 311 23.077 5 -132.5 42.6 0.00100 31 91.216 328 - 341 23.226 2 -52.3 42.6 0.00100 77 91.831 358 - 371 23.377 5 -129.0 42.6 0.00100 46 92.246 378 - 391 23.478 3 -76.7 42.6 0.00100 61 92.769 403 - 417 23.607 4 -101.1 42.6 0.00100 76 93.085 419 - 432 23.684 5 -125.5 42.6 0.00100 15 94.372 481 - 495 24.000 1 -24.4 The time intervals between ground track repetitions are shown in the format "days" and "minutes": for example, a 42.6 deg 79 circuits pattern repeats after 5 days less 136.1 minutes. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip S Clark 22 Winterbourne Close Molniya Space Consultancy Hastings Compiler/Publisher, Worldwide Satellite Launches E Sussex TN34 1XG U.K. Specialist in "space archeology" - the older and more obscure the more interesting it is ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From simon@japan.co.jp Wed Jan 10 21:24:30 2001 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:24:30 +1100 From: Simon Mansfield simon@japan.co.jp Subject: [FPSPACE] MIR sequel URL correction The Mir article URL is actually - Get Ready For Mir The Sequel http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mir-01b.html sorry about that. simon From psclark@dircon.co.uk Wed Jan 10 21:28:11 2001 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:28:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Phillip Clark psclark@dircon.co.uk Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: [HearSat-L] Shenzhou-2 has maneuvered Following up my earlier posting about the Shen Zhou 2 manoeuvre, SATRAK suggests that if it was a single-impulse manoeuvre then it was around 13.23 GMT. Phillip Clark --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip S Clark 22 Winterbourne Close Molniya Space Consultancy Hastings Compiler/Publisher, Worldwide Satellite Launches E Sussex TN34 1XG U.K. Specialist in "space archeology" - the older and more obscure the more interesting it is ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Sven Grahn wrote: > The initial orbit of Shenzhou-2 was 196.5-333.8 km. NASA;s OIG website just > shows that the new orbit is 327.7-332.7 km (epoch at 19:58:40 UT, today 10 > Jan). So, it is changing orbits! > > Sven Grahn > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Mr Sven Grahn | Kettering Group > Rattviksvagen 44, S-192 71 Sollentuna, Sweden > Tel: +46 8 7541904, svengrahn@wineasy.se > http://www.users.wineasy.se/svengrahn/ > ---------------------------------------------------- > > A d m i n : {Posting address: HearSat-L@qth.net | Sub/unsub: www.qth.net} > {Website: www.hearsat.org | Requests: owner-hearsat-l@qth.net} ****** > From lklaes@bbn.com Wed Jan 10 21:38:24 2001 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:38:24 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Happy New Year! 21st Century! 3rd Millenium! Sadly, 2010: The Year We Made Contact (made in 1984), dated itself badly when it had the US and USSR at the brink of World War III in 2010 (to say nothing of manned spacecraft to Jupiter). Fortunately the Monolith ETI decided to turn Jupiter into a sun so that the primitive life forms on Europa could have a chance to evolve. The second sun in the sky made all the politicians wake up, change their ways, and work together in peace. Okay, now that's going too far. Larry At 09:09 PM 12/30/2000 +0100, Raoul Lannoy wrote: >January first will be a new: >Day >Week >Month >Year >Decade >Century >Millennium >And it's 2001 , the year I've been dreaming about since I saw the movie (in >1968) that started with an Earthrise and the Richard Strauss music "Thus >Spake Zarathustra". >I'm forever thankful to sir Arthur C Clarke and the late Stanley Kubrick for >having wanted to make the "Proverbial good Science Fiction film"and having >inspired so many people, at the time! >In 2001, on Space Station V, Russian and American scientists are friends . >This was guessed all the way back in 1965. Now, we can share info and >thoughts through the internet and this was not part of the expected things >for 2001. At least, HAL 9000 is quiet (if he's somewhere, lurking...) >We don't have (going to Jupiter and Saturn) a Spaceship called Discovery but >there is Cassini! > >Happy New Millennium! > >Raoul > >_______________________________________________ >FPSPACE mailing list >FPSPACE@friends-partners.org >http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace > From dave.woods@lmco.com Wed Jan 10 21:57:15 2001 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:57:15 -0500 From: Woods, Dave dave.woods@lmco.com Subject: [FPSPACE] FW: Space DTP-2001 Folks, I had an inquiry about the upcoming SpaceDTP-2001 workshop to be put on in April in Moscow. Workshop details are available at: http://ysc.sm.bmstu.ru/eng/dtp2001/prog.htm I have attached a copy of the program below for those of you who might be interest. Matt asked me a number of questions in his note. I can answer some of them. First and foremost, I would highly recommend the program. It was originally developed by our Jennifer Green and two workshops were held in 1996 and 1997 under her direction. Details of those two workshops can be seen at the fpspace website. With her transfer to and work load at NASA-JSC, the program has been carried on by the Youth Space Center staff at Baumann Moscow State Technical University. The program then and now is geared to anyone with an interest in the Russian space program. I have attended three of these programs, and we have had a range from students to retirees at each. The program is geared to a general audience with an technical background to appreciate all of the facilities you will be visiting and the people (engineers, cosmonauts, etc.) that you will be able to have discussions with. Typically, there are Russian students in attendance to help out with the arrangements, all of whom I have found, speak excellent English and are eager to talk with westerners to improve their skills. Therefore, language will not be a barrier to any of the attendees. The cost of the conference has been surprisingly modest, considering that it includes all of the transportation, meals, plus accomodations at the IPK in Korolev. I do not have the particulars for this year, so anyone who is interested should contact the folks at YSC for the details. I was there last year and had a great time. So will you if you chose to go this year. Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------- SpaceDTP-2001 - Workshop Program (tentative, times may vary) March 31, Saturday Arrival to Moscow (Participants are met by YSC representatives in "Sheremetyevo-2 April 1, Sunday 8:00 Breakfast 9:00 Cultural program 19:00 Rocket Modeling Class 20:00 Introductory Session April 2, Monday 8:00 Breakfast 11:00 Opening Ceremony in Russian Space Agency. Speeches by BMSTU, NASA, RASA, ESA, Boeing representatives. Discussions 13.00 Lunch in RSA 14:30 Visit to BMSTU, BMSTU Museum, BMSTU Aerodynamics Laboratory (supersonic and subsonic wind tunnels), BMSTU Rocket Propulsion Laboratory 19:30 Dinner 20:00 Meeting with Russian Cosmonauts April 3, Tuesday 8:00 Breakfast 9:30 Visit to RSC "Energia" Museum, getting acquainted with some of Energia's facilities 13:00 Lunch in RSC "Energia" 14:30 Mission Control Center - MIR and ISS control rooms, meeting Russian and US flight controllers. Discussions. 19:30 Dinner 20:00 Session 1: International Space Station. Meeting ISS crewmembers April 4, Wednesday 8:00 Breakfast 10:00 Visit to Khrunichev Space Center (KhSC). Meeting with deputy director professor V. Karrask 13:00 Lunch 15:30 Cultural program: World War II Memorial on Poklonnaya Gora 18:00 Dinner 19:00 Cultural program: Bolshoy Theatre April 5, Thursday 8:00 Breakfast 10:00 Visit to NPO "Zvezda" Museum 14:00 Lunch in Moscow 15:00 Cultural program: Walking around Moscow 18:30 Dinner 19:30 Session 2: Deep space exploration. (Phobos soil sample return mission, etc.; Space Research Institute and Lavochkin NPO take part in discussion.) April 6, Friday 8:00 Breakfast 10:30 Visit to BMSTU Research and Educational Facility in Orevo, Moscow Region (R-7 launch vehicle, LK lunar lander, Soyuz transport vehicle, etc.) 13:00 Lunch in Orevo 15:00 Troitse-Sergieva Lavra Orthodox Monastery in Sergiev Posad 19:30 Dinner 20:00 Rocket Modeling Class April 7, Saturday 8:00 Breakfast 10:00 Visit to Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Centre in Star City: Centrifuge, Space Station Simulator, Neutral Buoyancy Facility, Planetarium, Physical Selection and Training, Russian Segment Trainer Facility. Discussions. 13:00 Lunch in Star City 15:00 Monino Air Force Museum (150 aircraft of various times) 18:30 Dinner 19:30 Participants' Scientific Activity Reports (optional). April 8, Sunday 8:00 Breakfast 9:00 Cultural Program (Pushkin Fine Arts Museum, Tretyakov Art Gallery) 19:00 Rocket models launch April 9, Monday 8:00 Breakfast 10:00 NPO Lavochkina 13:00 Lunch 15:00 Visit to NPO Energomash 20:30 Party April 10, Tuesday 8:00 Breakfast 9:00 Departures > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Flammer [SMTP:mflammer@erols.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 10:12 PM > To: dave.woods@lmco.com > Subject: Space DTP-2001 > > Dear Mr. Woods, > > I recently stumbled onto the BMSTU Youth Center web site, and I became > very interested in the Space DTP-2001 conference. I have a few questions > I would like to ask you: > > Is the conference geared towards students, or may anyone sign up? I'm > afraid that I left school behind many years ago. I didn't find anything > on the web page to suggest whether or not the conference is only for youth > or students, but the fact that it is being run by the Youth Center did > make me wonder. If the Space DTP-2001 conference is geared towards youth, > are there any analogs for adults? > > I also regret to note that I do not possess any skills in the Russian > language. In what language(s) will the conference be conducted? > > And of course, the obvious question: appoximately how much will this cost? > > I have been interested in the Soviet/Russian space program for some time, > and this strikes me as an ideal opportunity to actually see what I have > only read about. Thank you for your time! > > Sincerely yours, > > Matthew Flammer > > P.S. Are you be any chance the author of several articles on the Soviet > manned lunar program that were published in Spaceflight Magazine in the > 1970s? If so, may I say that I am a real fan of yours--your work was > phenominal, and I used your work heavily in a paper I wrote in college on > the topic. > From svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Wed Jan 10 21:57:13 2001 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:57:13 +0100 From: Sven Grahn svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: Shenzhou-2 has maneuvered At 20:54 2001-01-10 +0000, Phillip Clark wrote: The repeating pattern mean motion for 42.6 degrees is 15.7864911 revs/day which is pretty close to what it is now. maybe there will be a little tweak burn. Sven From svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Wed Jan 10 22:07:42 2001 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:07:42 +0100 From: Sven Grahn svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: [HearSat-L] Shenzhou-2 has maneuvered At 21:28 2001-01-10 +0000, Phillip Clark wrote: >Following up my earlier posting about the Shen Zhou 2 manoeuvre, SATRAK >suggests that if it was a single-impulse manoeuvre then it was around >13.23 GMT. > >Phillip Clark Yes, my analysis says 1325 UT, so we agree! Sven From simon@japan.co.jp Thu Jan 11 00:33:16 2001 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:33:16 +1100 From: Simon Mansfield simon@japan.co.jp Subject: [FPSPACE] Politics, not pragmatism, drives China's manned space programme - Politics, not pragmatism, drives China's manned space programme http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010110122606.cxgr6u3n.html PARIS (AFP) Jan 10, 2001 - China's dream of putting a man in space is being questioned by western experts, who say the costly scheme is driven almost entirely by the hunger for national prestige rather than useful science. From simon@japan.co.jp Thu Jan 11 02:41:58 2001 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:41:58 +1100 From: Simon Mansfield simon@japan.co.jp Subject: [FPSPACE] SPACEDAILY HEADLINES - Jan 11, 2001 -------------------------------------------- SPACEDAILY HEADLINES - Jan 11, 2001 ----------- QUICK SPACE - Politics, not pragmatism, drives China's manned space programme http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010110122606.cxgr6u3n.html - Boeing Delta IV to Deliver Defense System Satellite in 2003 http://www.spacedaily.com/news/delta4-01a.html - Ariane rocket puts Turkish satellite in orbit http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010110232124.iu8yn5qq.html - Arianespace makes big loss in 2000 on rocket upgrade http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010110112055.8g3l81p5.html - New Planetary Systems Are The Most Bizarre Yet http://www.spacedaily.com/news/exoplanet-01a.html - Researcher Validates Discovery of Planets' Gravitational "Dance" http://www.spacedaily.com/news/exoplanet-01b.html - Watery Evidence Suggests Hospitable Young Planet http://www.spacedaily.com/news/life-01a.html - Drought could free vast amounts of carbon gases in peatlands: study http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010110190339.t4ohid09.html - Sea of Japan faces slow death, says researcher http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010110190100.1si6c688.html - Drilling for Martians http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mars-life-01a.html - UK Satellite Captures Lunar Eclipse http://www.spacedaily.com/news/microsat-01b.html - Get Ready For Mir The Sequel http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mir-01b.html - NEAR Shoemaker Primed For Final Flyovers Ahead of Controlled Descent http://www.spacedaily.com/news/near-01a.html --------- SPACEMART - Boeing Delta IV to Deliver Defense System Satellite in 2003 http://www.spacedaily.com/news/delta4-01a.html Huntington Beach - Jan. 10, 2001 - Boeing will launch a U.S. Air Force defense satellite aboard a Delta IV rocket in 2003. The satellite, DMSP-17, will be launched from Vandenberg Air Force Base and is part of a 22-launch U.S. government manifest for payloads aboard Delta IV rockets. - Ariane rocket puts Turkish satellite in orbit http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010110232124.iu8yn5qq.html - Arianespace makes big loss in 2000 on rocket upgrade http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010110112055.8g3l81p5.html - Politics, not pragmatism, drives China's manned space programme http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010110122606.cxgr6u3n.html ------------- SPACE SCIENCE - New Planetary Systems Are The Most Bizarre Yet http://www.spacedaily.com/news/exoplanet-01a.html San Diego - Jan 9, 2001 - A team of planet-hunting astronomers announced today (Jan. 9) the discovery of two multi-planet systems that are among the most bizarre planetary systems found to date. ------------- SPACE SCIENCE - Researcher Validates Discovery of Planets' Gravitational "Dance" http://www.spacedaily.com/news/exoplanet-01b.html Berkeley - Jan. 9, 2001 - A team of planet hunters today announced a discovery that will help researchers better understand planet migration and how planets' gravitational pulls influence each other. The discovery was announced at the American Astronomical Society meeting in San Diego. ---------- TERRADAILY - Watery Evidence Suggests Hospitable Young Planet http://www.spacedaily.com/news/life-01a.html Washington - Jan. 10, 2001 - Geological evidence suggests that Earth may have had surface water -- and thus conditions to support life -- billions of years earlier than previously thought. Scientists reconstructed the portrait of early Earth by reading the telltale chemical composition of the oldest known terrestrial rock. - Drought could free vast amounts of carbon gases in peatlands: study http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010110190339.t4ohid09.html - Sea of Japan faces slow death, says researcher http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010110190100.1si6c688.html --------- MARSDAILY - Drilling for Martians http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mars-life-01a.html London - Jan. 10, 2001 - Engineers have developed a new tool to help them hunt for signs of life on Mars. Their metre-long, white-hot spear can melt its way through soil and rocks to depths where evidence of past life may be lurking. ---------- TECH SPACE - UK Satellite Captures Lunar Eclipse http://www.spacedaily.com/news/microsat-01b.html Guildford - Jan. 10, 2000 - A British minisatellite, UoSAT-12, built by Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd (SSTL), has imaged a cloudless Lunar eclipse from a 650km low Earth orbit. ------------ STATION NEWS - Get Ready For Mir The Sequel http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mir-01b.html Moscow (AFP) Jan. 10, 2001 - Russia's Space Agency, creators of the 14-year-old Mir, announced Wednesday it plans to replace the soon-to-be-destroyed station with a new one, the ITAR-TASS news agency reported. ------------- SPACE SCIENCE - NEAR Shoemaker Primed For Final Flyovers Ahead of Controlled Descent http://www.spacedaily.com/news/near-01a.html Laurel - Jan. 10, 2001 - The NEAR Shoemaker spacecraft - the first to orbit an asteroid - embarks on a series of low-altitude passes over 433 Eros this month in a prelude to its daring February descent to the surface of the rotating, 21-mile-long space rock. From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Thu Jan 11 06:25:37 2001 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 01:25:37 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Asif in Aviation Week Our buddy Asif Siddiqi is referred to several times in an article in the current issue of Aviation Week and Space Technology. In an article by Craig Covault titled "Policy and Technology Shape Manned Space Ops," Asif's book Challenge to Apollo is mentioned in reference to the Soviet lunar program. There is even a callout article about three inches tall that focuses on Asif's discussion of the Russian decision to start a lunar program. DDAY From svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Thu Jan 11 07:37:17 2001 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:37:17 +0100 From: Sven Grahn svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Subject: [FPSPACE] Article about Shenzhou-2 at my Web site Dear Friends, I have started a little article with notes about Shenzhou-2. * Go to my Web site http://www.users.wineasy.se/svengrahn * Click on "What's New"? * Select entry for 11 January 2001 Best Wishes Sven Grahn ---------------------------------------------------- Mr Sven Grahn | Kettering Group Rattviksvagen 44, S-192 71 Sollentuna, Sweden Tel: +46 8 7541904, svengrahn@wineasy.se http://www.users.wineasy.se/svengrahn/ ---------------------------------------------------- From chenlan@mbox2.singnet.com.sg Thu Jan 11 08:10:10 2001 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:10:10 +0800 From: Chen Lan chenlan@mbox2.singnet.com.sg Subject: [FPSPACE] Go Taikonauts! News [January 11, 2001] Shenzhou 2 is A Space Lab Shenzhou 2 is not only a manned spacecraft but also a space science laboratory. It carries 64 scientific payloads onboard, of which 15 are inside the re-entry module, 12 are inside the orbital module and 37 are installed on the attached segment. The latter is the fourth component of the Shenzhou spacecraft, possibly an exposure facility and could be replaced by a docking unit in later docking missions. Payloads include micro-gravity experimental devices such as the crystal growing device, life science experimental devices covering 19 species of animals and plants, space ray and particle detectors and other scientific equipment. Shenzhou 2 is actually the largest scale space science mission in Chinese space history. On the other side, unofficial information on Internet indicates that the orbital module will stay and work in orbit for six months. (SpaceChina, Sina BBS) From kgottschalk@uwc.ac.za Thu Jan 11 15:06:20 2001 Date: 11 Jan 2001 17:06:20 +0200 From: Keith Gottschalk kgottschalk@uwc.ac.za Subject: [FPSPACE] Request: internet country suffixes Dear Fpspacers, I am conducting my fun annual census of FPSPACE, via the "who" command, to guesstimate how cosmopolitan we are. One problem is that some of the internet suffixes are very ambivalent abbreviations. Please help. Is .si Slovakia, or Slovenia? or another country? .hr Is this Honduras? Or where? .hu Is this Hungary? Or where? .mt Mauretania? Or Mauritius? or? with thanks for any help from your earthbound Keith Gottschalk kgottschalk@uwc.ac.za From JamesOberg@aol.com Thu Jan 11 15:20:01 2001 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:20:01 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] STS-1 + 20 observation on April 12? So far I can't find anybody doing any observations or celebrations of the 20th anniversary of STS-1 on April 12, upcoming. Is there something going on I should learn about, or should somebody MAKE something worthy of the event, go on? At least there should be a Houston gathering, somewhere, and invitations/reminders to team members. We can also celebrate Yuri + 40. You can bet they will aboard ISS. From JamesOberg@aol.com Thu Jan 11 18:10:13 2001 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:10:13 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Happy Ending To Search For Lazarev Book JimO writes: I'm sharing this note from the guy who was looking for a space book, and we posted his request here. It was answered! Thanks, everybody! Subj: Re: Lazarev's book Date: 1/7/01 5:33:43 AM Central Standard Time From: adderley@acay.com.au (Peter Adderley) To: JamesOberg@aol.com The epilogue: A couple of weeks before Christmas I received a solitary email in regard to the book on Komarov. It came for a woman called Mayya from an unknown destination. She said she had but one copy left and it would cost me $3, plus $4 for postage. Excitedly I replied to ask for an address, but alas there was nothing. I had given up, thinking it was a hoax, but a few days later I received an invoice and a shipping receipt. I returned it immediately, together with seven US dollars in cash, throwing caution to the wind. ;-) The book turned up yesterday. My wife rang her sister; a call probably costing four times the value of the book. But I could hear the smile beaming through the phone half a planet away. What a pleasure it was to make such a connection, and I have you to thank. I hope to be able to return the favour one day. Many thanks, Peter From vojko.kogej@guest.arnes.si Thu Jan 11 18:35:57 2001 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:35:57 +0100 From: Vojko Kogej vojko.kogej@guest.arnes.si Subject: [FPSPACE] Request: internet country suffixes > .si is Slovenia > .hr is Croatia > .hu is Hungary > .mt ....? Excuse me for my ignorance (I true don t know) suffix .za is .....? Best regards, Vojko Kogej (Slovenija, Ljubljana) From clj@emc.com Thu Jan 11 20:49:37 2001 Date: 11 Jan 2001 15:49:37 -0500 From: Chris Jones clj@emc.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Request: internet country suffixes "Vojko Kogej" writes: > .si is Slovenia > .hr is Croatia > .hu is Hungary > .mt ....? Sheesh, I thought someone would have found this on the web by now. .mt is Malta Excuse me for my ignorance (I true don t know) suffix .za is .....? South Africa. From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Fri Jan 12 05:22:20 2001 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:22:20 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Space.com Illustrated, issue 3 The third issue of Space.com Illustrated is out. This one has a floating Dennis Tito on the cover, filmed against an extremely yellow background. It's still a slick-looking magazine, with lots of beautiful pictures. But the longest article runs barely over two full pages of text. (There are about three articles this long. Most of the rest are under a page.) There is an article by FPSpacer Mike Cassutt on Dennis Tito. There's also one about this chubby guy who wears a skin-tight flightsuit and plans to launch himself on a homemade rocket. Like Bob Zubrin in the premier issue, he too is photographed from an unfortunate angle. There's also an article by Alan Ladwig, who is identified as "SPACE.com's VP of Washington Operations." The magazine hits the stands only a few days after Lou Dobbs eliminated both Ladwig and Space.com's Washington office. There are some great photos in this issue. Some really nice shots of Mir and some astounding photos of the earth. It's clear that their budget goes for pictures, not text. DDAY From chenlan@mbox2.singnet.com.sg Fri Jan 12 05:36:30 2001 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:36:30 +0800 From: Chen Lan chenlan@mbox2.singnet.com.sg Subject: [FPSPACE] Shenzhou 2 news [January 12, 2001] Shenzhou 2 Orbital Module Will Work for Six Months ------ China Space News, the most important newspaper published by Chinese space industry, confirmed in a report that Shenzhou 2 will fly for seven days, and the orbital module will work for six months in space for scientific experiments. It also suggests that the next Shenzhou flight will be in late this year. Chen Lan Go Taikonauts! From cwdonald@ix.netcom.com Fri Jan 12 06:36:03 2001 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:36:03 -0800 From: Chuck Donaldson cwdonald@ix.netcom.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Russian UFO Research Declassified A recent article in "Skeptical Briefs" Vol 10, No. 4 titled "A History of State UFO Research in the USSR", by Yulii Platov and Boris sokoliv finds that, "Practically all of the mass night UFO sightings were conclusively identified as phenomena caused by rocket launches and test of aerospace equipment. One of the more famous sightings, called The Petrozavodsk Incident, was finally attributed to the launch of the Kosmos 995 satellite from the cosmodrome in Plesetsk, USSR. There are several other Kosmos launches that gave night sky witnesses something to shout about. Several Soviet balloon flights were causes of UFO chases by Soviet military aircraft. Luckily the US and other European countries are still ahead with "contacts," actual "landings," and of course abductions. Seems actually landings in the USSR are prohibited by alien pilots. cwdonald > FPSPACE mailing list > FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace From simon@japan.co.jp Fri Jan 12 06:15:19 2001 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:15:19 +1100 From: Simon Mansfield simon@japan.co.jp Subject: [FPSPACE] SPACEDAILY HEADLINES - Jan 12, 2001 -------------------------------------------- SPACEDAILY HEADLINES - Jan 12, 2001 ----------- QUICK SPACE - Shenzhou Program Enjoys Growing Political Support http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01h.html - China Opens 21st Century With Shenzhou-2 Launch http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01f.html - Shenzhou-2 Launches China Into New Century http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01g.html - E-Sax and Ratexchange Offer Combined Fibre and Satellite Capacity http://www.spacedaily.com/news/internet-01c.html - Rumsfeld Commission Warns Against "Space Pearl Harbor" http://www.spacedaily.com/news/bmdo-01b.html - Shuttle mission to ISS set for January 19 http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010111231302.pk4mf2jq.html - Russian cosmonauts train for Mir destruction mishap http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010111184456.90m0k4v6.html - Brollies in space: the next footwear for astronauts http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010111122337.xt9w9v62.html ------------------ HEADLINES IN BRIEF Jan 12, 2001 --------------------------- DRAGON SPACE SPECIAL REPORT - Shenzhou Program Enjoys Growing Political Support http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01h.html Sydney - Jan. 12, 2000 - After a lengthy delay and a regular series of false starts, China has finally moved ahead with its enigmatic Shenzhou program. At the time of writing, the Shenzhou 2 vehicle is orbiting the Earth, awaiting a return to Earth at an unspecified time. Many questions are being raised about this second vehicle, but after waiting so long for this mission to take place, the most obvious question that could be raised is why China decided to launch now. - China Opens 21st Century With Shenzhou-2 Launch http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01f.html Beijing - Jan. 12, 2001 - China has kicked off the new century with the unmanned launch of Shenzhou-2 early Wednesday morning (Jan. 10). The symbolic and successful launch occurred at 1am Beijing Time (Jan. 9 17:00 UTC) for a mission that is expected to last seven days. - Shenzhou-2 Launches China Into New Century http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01g.html Beijing - Jan. 12, 2001 - After 60 days of intense work gearing up for the launch of Shenzhou-2, final preparation began the day before; with propellant loading taking place in the afternoon. --------- SPACEMART - E-Sax and Ratexchange Offer Combined Fibre and Satellite Capacity http://www.spacedaily.com/news/internet-01c.html London - Jan. 12, 2001 - RateXchange Corporation and The London Satellite Exchange have announced the first global alliance that provides bandwidth users the ability to fulfill both satellite and fibre optic bandwidth requirements at the same time. -------- SPACEWAR - Rumsfeld Commission Warns Against "Space Pearl Harbor" http://www.spacedaily.com/news/bmdo-01b.html Washington (AFP) Jan. 11, 2001 - Warning that the United States could face a "space Pearl Harbor," Defense Secretary-designate Donald Rumsfeld and a commission he formerly headed unveiled a report Thursday advocating tighter security for American space systems. From cwdonald@ix.netcom.com Fri Jan 12 06:48:53 2001 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:48:53 -0800 From: Chuck Donaldson cwdonald@ix.netcom.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Asif Siddiqi's Book Mentioned in Aviation Week & Space Technology In the latest issue of Aviation Leak, January 8, 2001, Assif is mentioned a few times, and his new book, "Challenge To Apollo" gets its own block of text, in red, on page 48. Aviation Leak mentions his extensive research and lays out some of the major reasons the Soviets never beat the Americans to a manned landing on the moon. Dennis Newkirk and his book, "Almanac of Soviet Manned Space Flight" is also quoted. The article is a fast and easy read, briefing outlining the key events from the R-7 and the Sputnik launches in 1957 then leading up to the ISS. A nice read. An interesting reminder I had forgotten about was the fact that the Soviets launched and lost THREE 20-ton Salyuts between 1972-73. The US only had two Skylabs to try this and we would have had to wait for the ISS before we would have had our own Space Station, not counting the Labs in the Shuttles. cwdonald > FPSPACE mailing list > FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace From kgottschalk@uwc.ac.za Fri Jan 12 13:43:34 2001 Date: 12 Jan 2001 15:43:34 +0200 From: Keith Gottschalk kgottschalk@uwc.ac.za Subject: [FPSPACE] census: cosmos fans are cosmopolitan ! Dear FPSPACE fans, I have attempted my annual fun census, out of curiosity to see how international FPSPACE is. It also educated me, when persons emailed me out of the very countries whose dot suffix was not clear. Thanks also to Chris J., Ed D., Gert J., Heinz J., Jeff F., Jeff H., Karl D., Luca C., & Vojko K. * Using the internet country suffixes, plus personal knowledge that we have a Bangladeshi in the USA, & a Chinese with a Singapore suffix, FPSPACE now has 313 members from at least 32 countries ! Argentina Austria Australia Bangladesh Belgium Canada China Croatia ( .hr for Hrvatska) Denmark Finland France Germany Greece Hungary Ireland Israel Italy Japan Malta Netherlands New Zealand Norway Poland Portugal Russian Federation Slovenia South Africa Spain Sweden Switzerland (.ch for Confederation of Helvetica) United Kingdom United States of America The FPSPACE list has two hidden members. As a political scientist, I'm going to guess that: * one is a personal assistant to Dan Goldin, trying to trace the leaks that JimO has as sources; :) * the other is a personal assistant to Yuri Koptev, trying to trace the leaks that JimO has as sources :) Both the Rus Fed & the US of A are already on our list, so that changes nothing. If anyone knows of a member's country I have left out, please email me. A judgement call with more serious consequences is trying to work out to what extent USA citizens dominate the email group, as dot com, net & org can all contain foreigners. Just over one-third of us have internet country suffixes, & 15% are indisputably US, dot edu, gov or mil with no country suffixes. But does one say that since about nine-tenths of networked PCs are in the USA, we should assume that nine-tenths of dot com, net & org e-addresses are US spaceflight fans? In the end, I took a working hypothesis that if 34% of geographically traceable e-addresses are other countries, then of the order of 17% of global e-addresses like com, net or org are probably out of the USA. My thought was that we non-Americans have a choice of country or non-country suffixed networks. If this leap of logic is not GIGO, but justified, FPSPACE can proudly claim that over four out of ten members are from outside the USA, and its US founders now comprise a little over half of its spaceflight fans. This certainly makes Fpspace far more global than the average US-based email discussion group. In descending order, the countries with the most FPSPACE fans are the USA, UK, Russian Federation, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Canada, Australia, France and Italy. The most pleasing development is the rocketing number of Fpspacers from the Russian Federation, up from last year to at least 18. Perhaps both word of mouth about Fpspace, & an improving economy allowing more individuals and institutions to afford internet access explain that? The saddest lack is maybe no members from Brazil, India and Kazakstan. The whole continent of Africa has only one - me :) Of course, part of the reason is that we do not debate in Portugese, Kazak or Swahili. But mostly it reflects lack of $$$ & a lack of PCs. Also, some of us have not bandwidth, but bandnarrowth :) May the 21st Century remedy underdevelopment- & also see Fpspace become a partly out of this world group :) From barensky@orbireport.com Fri Jan 12 14:40:22 2001 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:40:22 +0100 From: Stefan Barensky barensky@orbireport.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Request: internet country suffixes This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E118A0863E57008934449B38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are the ISO-3166 country codes which are used for the Internet suffixes. Afghanistan AF Albania AL Algeria DZ American Samoa AS Andorra AD Angola AO Anguilla AI Antarctica AQ Antigua & Barbuda AG Argentina AR Armenia AM Aruba AW Australia AU Austria AT Azerbaijan AZ Bahamas BS Bahrain BH Bangladesh BD Barbados BB Belarus BY Belgium BE Belize BZ Benin BJ Bermuda BM Bhutan BT Bolivia BO Bosnia & Herzegowina BA Botswana BW Bouvet Island BV Brazil BR British Indian Ocean Territory IO Brunei Darussalam BN Bulgaria BG Burkina Faso BF Burundi BI Cambodia KH Cameroon CM Canada CA Cape Verde CV Cayman Islands KY Central African Republic CF Chad TD Chile CL China CN Christmas Island CX Cocos (Keeling) Islands CC Colombia CO Comoros KM Congo CG Congo, Democratic Republic of CD Cook Islands CK Costa Rica CR Cote D'ivoire CI Croatia HR Cuba CU Cyprus CY Czech Republic CZ Denmark DK Djibouti DJ Dominica DM Dominican Republic DO East Timor TP Ecuador EC Egypt EG El Salvador SV Equatorial Guinea GQ Eritrea ER Estonia EE Ethiopia ET Falkland Islands (Malvinas) FK Faroe Islands FO Fiji FJ Finland FI France FR French Guiana GF French Polynesia PF French Southern Territories TF Gabon GA Gambia GM Georgia GE Germany DE Ghana GH Gibraltar GI Greece GR Greenland GL Grenada GD Guadeloupe GP Guam GU Guatemala GT Guinea GN Guinea-Bissau GW Guyana GY Haiti HT Heard & Mc Donald Islands HM Vatican VA Honduras HN Hong Kong HK Hungary HU Iceland IS India IN Indonesia ID Iran IR Iraq IQ Ireland IE Israel IL Italy IT Jamaica JM Japan JP Jordan JO Kazakhstan KZ Kenya KE Kiribati KI Korea, North KP Korea, South KR Kuwait KW Kyrgyzstan KG Laos LA Latvia LV Lebanon LB Lesotho LS Liberia LR Libya LY Liechtenstein LI Lithuania LT Luxembourg LU Macau MO Macedonia MK Madagascar MG Malawi MW Malaysia MY Maldives MV Mali ML Malta MT Marshall Islands MH Martinique MQ Mauritania MR Mauritius MU Mayotte YT Mexico MX Micronesia FM Moldova MD Monaco MC Mongolia MN Montserrat MS Morocco MA Mozambique MZ Myanmar MM Namibia NA Nauru NR Nepal NP Netherlands NL Netherlands Antilles AN New Caledonia NC New Zealand NZ Nicaragua NI Niger NE Nigeria NG Niue NU Norfolk Island NF Northern Mariana Islands MP Norway NO Oman OM Pakistan PK Palau PW Panama PA Papua New Guinea PG Paraguay PY Peru PE Philippines PH Pitcairn PN Poland PL Portugal PT Puerto Rico PR Qatar QA Reunion RE Romania RO Russian Federation RU Rwanda RW Saint Kitts & Nevis KN Saint Lucia LC Saint Vincent & Grenadines VC Samoa WS San Marino SM Sao Tome & Principe ST Saudi Arabia SA Senegal SN Seychelles SC Sierra Leone SL Singapore SG Slovakia SK Slovenia SI Solomon Islands SB Somalia SO South Africa ZA South Georgia & South Sandwich Islands GS Spain ES Sri Lanka LK St. Helena SH St. Pierre & Miquelon PM Sudan SD Suriname SR Svalbard & Jan Mayen Islands SJ Swaziland SZ Sweden SE Switzerland CH Syria SY Taiwan TW Tajikistan TJ Tanzania TZ Thailand TH Togo TG Tokelau TK Tonga TO Trinidad & Tobago TT Tunisia TN Turkey TR Turkmenistan TM Turks & Caicos Islands TC Tuvalu TV Uganda UG Ukraine UA United Arab Emirates AE Great Britain GB United States US U.S. Minor Outlying Islands UM Uruguay UY Uzbekistan UZ Vanuatu VU Venezuela VE Viet Nam VN Virgin Islands, British VG Virgin Islands, U.S. VI Wallis & Futuna WF Western Sahara EH Yemen YE Yugoslavia YU Zambia ZM Zimbabwe ZW Hope this will help. Stefan Barensky Editor http://www.space-launcher.com Keith Gottschalk wrote: > Dear Fpspacers, > > I am conducting my fun annual census of FPSPACE, via the "who" command, to guesstimate how cosmopolitan we are. One problem is that some of the internet suffixes are very ambivalent abbreviations. > > Please help. Is > .si Slovakia, or Slovenia? or another country? > .hr Is this Honduras? Or where? > .hu Is this Hungary? Or where? > .mt Mauretania? Or Mauritius? or? > > with thanks for any help > from your earthbound > > Keith Gottschalk > > kgottschalk@uwc.ac.za --------------E118A0863E57008934449B38 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="barensky.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Stefan Barensky Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="barensky.vcf" begin:vcard n:Barensky;Stefan tel;cell:+33 (0) 610 487 126 tel;fax:+33 (0) 467 580 042 tel;work:+33 (0) 467 580 037 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.orbireport.com/Barensky.html org:Takyon International Press Agency adr:;;BP 2148;Montpellier Cedex 1;;F-34027;France version:2.1 email;internet:barensky@orbireport.com title:Space Editor x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Stefan Barensky end:vcard --------------E118A0863E57008934449B38-- From clj@emc.com Fri Jan 12 16:46:31 2001 Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:46:31 -0500 From: Chris Jones clj@emc.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Request: internet country suffixes OK, I know this is anglo-centric, but... as near as I can tell, exactly two countries have NO letters in their (English) name appearing in their two letter country code: Stefan Barensky writes: [...] Cambodia KH [...] Switzerland CH Not that this information will in any way turn out to be useful (unless it shows up on a game show, I suppose). From lklaes@bbn.com Fri Jan 12 17:03:36 2001 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:03:36 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Review comments on the new film Thirteen Days? Has anyone seen the new film on the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis titled Thirteen Days? I would love to read review comments from this list. http://www.thirteen-days.com/ Larry From wrporter@iupui.edu Fri Jan 12 17:03:57 2001 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:03:57 -0500 From: Porter, William R wrporter@iupui.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Review comments on the new film Thirteen Days? I know in the print ads here in Indianapolis there is an F-15 in one of the bubble pics. Randy Randall Porter Indiana University-Purdue University at Indianapolis UITS/TLIT/ITR Zone 1, School of Nursing Phone: 317-274-1535 Email: wrporter@iupui.edu Pager: 317-307-5505 -----Original Message----- From: Larry Klaes [mailto:lklaes@bbn.com] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:04 PM To: fpspace@solar.rtd.utk.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Review comments on the new film Thirteen Days? Has anyone seen the new film on the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis titled Thirteen Days? I would love to read review comments from this list. http://www.thirteen-days.com/ Larry _______________________________________________ FPSPACE mailing list FPSPACE@friends-partners.org http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Fri Jan 12 17:30:55 2001 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:30:55 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Review comments on the new film Thirteen Days? On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Larry Klaes wrote: > Has anyone seen the new film on the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis > titled Thirteen Days? I would love to read review comments > from this list. It gets a decent review in today's Washington Post: http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50342-2001Jan11.html Viewers should beware that the main character in the movie, played by Kevin Costner, was actually only a minor character in the actual crisis. Other people played much bigger roles than this guy. The Post reviewer says that the film does not really demonize the Russians. If there is anybody who comes out looking badly, it is US Air Force Chief of Staff Curtis LeMay, who wants to run off and start World War III in the film. The problem with this is that LeMay was never nuts. I've gone through his papers and while he was a Cold Warrior to the core, he was not reckless or crazy. (As the Post's reviewer also notes, LeMay is ridiculed by a lot of people these days who forget that he actually did a lot of heavy lifting for them during World War II, the Berlin Crisis, and the early Cold War.) DDAY From barensky@orbireport.com Fri Jan 12 17:24:46 2001 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:24:46 +0100 From: Stefan Barensky barensky@orbireport.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Request: internet country suffixes This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A7373B3C247EAB10773577A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KH stands for "Khmer", the name of the main ethnical component of the country. CH for "Confederation Helvetique". Chris Jones wrote: > OK, I know this is anglo-centric, but... > > as near as I can tell, exactly two countries have NO letters in their (English) > name appearing in their two letter country code: > > Stefan Barensky writes: > > [...] > > Cambodia KH > > [...] > > Switzerland CH > > Not that this information will in any way turn out to be useful (unless it > shows up on a game show, I suppose). Stefan Barensky Editor http://www.space-launcher.com --------------A7373B3C247EAB10773577A0 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="barensky.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Stefan Barensky Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="barensky.vcf" begin:vcard n:Barensky;Stefan tel;cell:+33 (0) 610 487 126 tel;fax:+33 (0) 467 580 042 tel;work:+33 (0) 467 580 037 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.orbireport.com/Barensky.html org:Takyon International Press Agency adr:;;BP 2148;Montpellier Cedex 1;;F-34027;France version:2.1 email;internet:barensky@orbireport.com title:Space Editor x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Stefan Barensky end:vcard --------------A7373B3C247EAB10773577A0-- From i-cosmos@mtu-net.ru Fri Jan 12 18:39:28 2001 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:39:28 +0300 From: Igor Lissov i-cosmos@mtu-net.ru Subject: [FPSPACE] Three crews approved for Mir Hi, On January 11 the Interagency Commission for Cosmonaut Selection (Russia) approved the three crews for possible Mir rescue mission. (1) Gennadiy Padalka, Nikolay Budarin (2) Salizhan Sharipov, Pavel Vinogradov (3) Talgat Musabayev, Yuri Baturin As of today, launch of rescue crew is considered as a contingency only. Mir deorbit is to be performed using Progress M1-5 to be launched Jaunary 18 at 06:56 UTC. According to the PR department of Rosaviakosmos, the last deorbit burn is to occur on March 6, 2001. Igor Lissov From robot@ultimax.com Fri Jan 12 22:07:15 2001 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:07:15 -0400 From: Robert G Kennedy III robot@ultimax.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: IP country codes Chris Jones wrote: >as near as I can tell, exactly two countries have NO letters in their >(English) >name appearing in their two letter country code: > Cambodia KH > Switzerland CH That's because KH = Khmer (native) or possibly KampucHea CH = Confederation Helvetica (old Roman word for the tribe that lived in the Alps) -- Robert Kennedy, PE http://www.ultimax.com From cwdonald@ix.netcom.com Sat Jan 13 05:55:04 2001 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:55:04 -0800 From: Chuck Donaldson cwdonald@ix.netcom.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Review comments on the new film Thirteen Days? To put it straight. The US Armed Forces has no interest in "attacking" or "invading" the island of Cuba.The US Armed Forces were not the villain in this very tense time in America's history. As long as the Hollywood crowd continues to hate the United States military, we will get these kinds of movies. The Joint Chiefs of Staff did not plant the missiles in Cuba. The Chiefs of Staff did not "set up Russia and Cuba so that they could "invade" Cuba. This was a totally vicious and false accusation made by those of the left and Hollywood (aren't they the same?) to once again browbeat the American Armed Forces. cwdonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Klaes" To: "fpspace@solar.rtd.utk.edu" Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 9:03 AM Subject: [FPSPACE] Review comments on the new film Thirteen Days? > Has anyone seen the new film on the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis > titled Thirteen Days? I would love to read review comments > from this list. > > http://www.thirteen-days.com/ > > Larry > > > _______________________________________________ > FPSPACE mailing list > FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace From psclark@dircon.co.uk Sat Jan 13 07:38:25 2001 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 07:38:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Phillip Clark psclark@dircon.co.uk Subject: [FPSPACE] Shen Zhou 2 keeps on a-chugging Looks like the crew on Yuan Wang 3 put down their copies of the People's Daily around midday GMT and did a little work. ========================================================================== Catalogue Orbital Orbital Orbital Perigee Apogee Arg of Number Epoch Inclination Period Perigee deg min km km deg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- SHEN ZHOU 2 26664 2001 Jan 9.88 42.61 89.84 197 336 130 26664 2001 Jan 10.01 42.58 89.84 198 335 131 26664 2001 Jan 10.08 42.58 89.83 197 335 132 26664 2001 Jan 10.14 42.58 89.83 198 334 132 26664 2001 Jan 10.25 42.58 89.82 198 334 133 26664 2001 Jan 10.40 42.58 89.81 197 333 134 FIRST MANOEUVRE JAN 10 AT ~13.24 GMT 26664 2001 Jan 10.83 42.58 91.16 329 334 209 26664 2001 Jan 10.96 42.58 91.16 328 334 196 26664 2001 Jan 11.08 42.58 91.15 328 334 196 26664 2001 Jan 11.21 42.58 91.15 328 334 194 26664 2001 Jan 11.34 42.58 91.15 328 334 197 26664 2001 Jan 11.64 42.58 91.15 328 334 203 26664 2001 Jan 11.67 42.58 91.15 328 334 200 26664 2001 Jan 12.15 42.58 91.14 328 334 205 26664 2001 Jan 12.22 42.58 91.14 328 334 204 26664 2001 Jan 12.23 42.58 91.14 328 334 204 26664 2001 Jan 12.30 42.58 91.14 327 334 204 26664 2001 Jan 12.35 42.58 91.14 327 334 202 SECOND MANOEUVRE JAN 12 AT ~12.20 GMT 26664 2001 Jan 12.85 42.58 91.24 330 340 268 26664 2001 Jan 12.91 42.58 91.24 331 340 279 26664 2001 Jan 12.98 42.57 91.24 331 340 280 CZ-2F SECOND STAGE 26665 2001 Jan 9.94 42.58 89.80 199 330 130 26665 2001 Jan 10.19 42.57 89.77 197 328 132 26665 2001 Jan 10.25 42.58 89.76 197 328 133 26665 2001 Jan 10.26 42.58 89.76 197 328 133 26665 2001 Jan 10.37 42.58 89.75 197 327 134 26665 2001 Jan 10.87 42.58 89.70 196 324 137 26665 2001 Jan 11.37 42.58 89.65 195 320 141 26665 2001 Jan 11.87 42.58 89.60 194 316 145 26665 2001 Jan 12.18 42.58 89.57 193 313 147 26665 2001 Jan 12.30 42.58 89.56 193 312 148 26665 2001 Jan 12.86 42.58 89.49 191 307 153 26665 2001 Jan 13.11 42.57 89.46 190 305 154 ========================================================================== --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip S Clark 22 Winterbourne Close Molniya Space Consultancy Hastings Compiler/Publisher, Worldwide Satellite Launches E Sussex TN34 1XG U.K. Specialist in "space archeology" - the older and more obscure the more interesting it is ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From WSpaceport@aol.com Sat Jan 13 14:38:27 2001 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 09:38:27 EST From: WSpaceport@aol.com WSpaceport@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Thirteen Days >From N.Y. Times News Service: "Thirteen Days" Distributor Pulls Inaccurate Ads Washington -- Film critics describe "Thirteen Days," the new historical drama based on the Cuban missile crisis of 1962, as a "by-the-numbers recreation" and "close to perfect." Print advertisements for the movie though, are not as precise. New Line Cinema, which is distributing the film that stars Kevin Costner, is removing from circulation a two-page advertisement that ran Friday in some newspapers across the nation. The advertisements included images of a Spruance-class destroyer and of F-15 jet fighters -- weapons systems not yet built in 1962. The film company said that it stood by the accuracy and integrity of the movie--but not the ads. "Every ship, plane, truck and craft that moves in the film is absolutely authentic to the time period," said Steve Elzer, a spokeman for New Line, a unit of Time Warner Inc. *************************************** Guess that's a definitive answer from Mr. Elzer -- despite the fact that the missile launcher truck shown in the film is of U.S., and not Cuban or Russian origin or design (markings on the truck are wrong too. . .) ~JS~ From JamesOberg@aol.com Sat Jan 13 16:12:36 2001 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 11:12:36 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Review comments on the new film Thirteen Days? Curtis Peebles has observed that if the Nedelin catastrophe hadn't held back the deployment of adequate numbers of ICBMs inside Russia, the Cuba gambit might never have been deemed necessary by the Soviets. Interesting idea. From JamesOberg@aol.com Sat Jan 13 22:37:12 2001 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:37:12 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] New Concerns Re ISS Plasma Charging Hazard Measurement JimO: I invite you to read my article in the November SPECTRUM which discussed, inter alia, the last-minute procedural workarounds to address the plasma charging hazards. The URL at IEEE is http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/publicfeature/nov00/spac.html and the article text is also on my home page www.jamesoberg.com Jan. 13, 2001 Electronic measuring unit not functioning on space station; problem not expected to affect Atlantis spacewalks By Steven Siceloff, FLORIDA TODAY CAPE CANAVERAL - An experiment measuring the electrical field around space station Alpha has been silent for weeks, prompting ground controllers to run through a barrage of diagnoses. The device was placed atop Alpha's tower of solar arrays during Endeavour's December 2000 mission. It worked fine while the shuttle was attached to the station, but has been quiet ever since Endeavour left, NASA Flight Director Jeff Hanley said Friday. The experiment was designed to test whether space walkers are threatened by the electrical field that builds up around the station as it moves through space. An electrical buildup could shock an astronaut climbing on the outside of the station and short circuit critical instruments in his spacesuit. The crew of Atlantis, due to blast off for Alpha Friday, could climb to the top of the tower and retrieve the floundering probe, but Hanley said controllers want to run through other options before taking that step. Future shuttle space walkers could also bring the probe back. The station is equipped with two suitcase-sized instruments that are to dissipate the electrical buildup. Without the experiment operating, however, NASA does not know if the emitters are working well enough. Measurements taken before the machine died showed very low charges, but Hanley said those readings were taken when Endeavour was still attached to the station. There are no measurements from the station alone. "We can't be sure the shuttle being docked did not affect (the readings) in some way," he said. Hanely said station controllers and astronauts will take precautions to lower the electrical buildup during space walks. Among the precautions: Turning on both emitters to prevent electrical buildup. Turning off power flow between the solar arrays and the station. Rotating the solar arrays, much like a hand out of the window of a moving car, so they don't catch as many particles. Such precautions have been routine during previous space walks, including the three performed in December when the 240-foot-wide arrays were attached to the station. The three space walks planned for Atlantis' upcoming 11-day mission aren't expected to be curtailed because of the experiment's demise. From Albatron@aol.com Sun Jan 14 04:30:33 2001 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 23:30:33 EST From: Albatron@aol.com Albatron@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Review comments on the new film Thirteen Days? In a message dated 01/13/2001 1:00:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, cwdonald@ix.netcom.com writes: << The US Armed Forces has no interest in "attacking" or "invading" the island of Cuba.The US Armed Forces were not the villain in this very tense time in America's history. As long as the Hollywood crowd continues to hate the United States military, we will get these kinds of movies. >> Please allow a "newbie" list member to respond. I just got home a short while ago from seeing the movie. I agree totally. Although I was 10 years old when this event took place, living in South Florida I remember the trains full of equipment and highways backed up with convoys, not to mention the Civil Defense movies shown in school constantly about ducking under your desk when the flash occurs. A scary time. As I grew older, and before the revisionists started re-writing our history to their liberal tastes, I began to read and try to understand what was happening in that very scary time. I also spoke with family members serving during those times, and many of whom later served under McNamara in Viet Nam, with the same idealogy. I concur our military was not the aggressive "beasts" they were portrayed to be. I also recall LeMay first supported the blockade, but also supported fulfilling the duties of a "quarantine" as the Kennedy Administration tried to soft soap the name of it due to their political fears. Fears that permeated throughout Johnsons Administration, and that hampered the good men that fought in Viet Nam. On another newgroup email list I belong to there is a gent who constantly attacks the US as "jingoistic war mongerers". The funny thing is, I've found our higher ranking military men to be not so much war mongers as those with political gain, as they TRULY understand the consequences of war. Arguably our most effective Secretary of State ever was George C. Marshall, and where did he come from? In short, I found this movie to be quite entertaining, but as mentioned very much slanted as Kennedy being a hero (if you look closely he was NOT, not then OR during the Bay of Pigs); and he, Bobby and "Kenny" the only thing that stood between us and the military and nuclear proliferation. Sadly this was not true. But again, revisionist history. Just my humble 2 centavos worth.... Al From JamesOberg@aol.com Sun Jan 14 05:51:26 2001 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 00:51:26 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Re Mir De-Orbit -- Here's the 'Death of Skylab' Story Re the impending de-orbit of Mir, here's the NASA history of Skylab's fall out of orbit in July 1979. http://www.reston.com/nasa/skylab/what.goes.up.html From Palladium@aol.com Sun Jan 14 14:02:33 2001 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:02:33 EST From: Palladium@aol.com Palladium@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Asif's book and RED MOON --part1_d4.f6b073.27930b79_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear fellow FPSpacers-- I've dilly-dallied long enough, and now need to pick up a copy of Asif's book "Challenge to Apollo." I know it's been mentioned here how to get it-- can someone please repost this info so I can act on it? Secondly, thanks for supporting my novel, RED MOON. Since appearing on Amazon.com in late November, it's jumped from No. 1.9 million and something on their sales rankings to (as of today) no. 91,201 -- nearly 2 million ranking points in 5 weeks! I have no idea what this means in terms of total numbers sold (probably not that much), but I have to regard it as an accomplishment for an unknown author published by a new and very small-time publishing house. In case you haven't gotten your copy yet, here's a link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1930782128 Thanks again. DS Michaels --part1_d4.f6b073.27930b79_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear fellow FPSpacers--

I've dilly-dallied long enough, and now need to pick up a copy of Asif's book
"Challenge to Apollo."  I know it's been mentioned here how to get it-- can
someone please repost this info so I can act on it?

Secondly, thanks for supporting my novel, RED MOON. Since appearing on
Amazon.com in late November, it's jumped from No. 1.9 million and something
on their sales rankings to (as of today) no. 91,201 -- nearly 2 million
ranking points in 5 weeks!  I have no idea what this means in terms of total
numbers sold (probably not that much), but I have to regard it as an
accomplishment for an unknown author published by a new and very small-time
publishing house.

In case you haven't gotten your copy yet, here's a link:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1930782128

Thanks again.

DS Michaels --part1_d4.f6b073.27930b79_boundary-- From JamesOberg@aol.com Sun Jan 14 16:20:03 2001 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:20:03 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] BBC game show to send contestants into space London: The Independent BBC game show to send contestants into space By Louise Jury, Arts and Media Correspondent http://www.independent.co.uk/news/UK/Media/2001-01/tvspace140101.shtml 14 January 2001 The search for TV game show novelty has finally taken its leave of Planet Earth. The BBC is just weeks away from signing a deal for an extraordinary new programme where thousands battle it out for the chance to go into space. The Great Space Adventure would see 500 competitors per round fighting for a place on one of the first commercial flights, soaring 70 miles into space and weightlessness. The winner would train at the American space camp for lift-off in around 2004. The series will join the increasingly desperate scramble for outlandish game shows in the Big Brother mould. On Wednesday, ITV launched Popstars, following the fates of would-be singers; two days later The Mole began on Channel 5, in which contestants face a series of challenges but have to work out which one of them is sabotaging their efforts; and the channel has also just announced Touching the Truck, where contestants will try to keep their hands on a £50,000 truck to win it. On Thursday, Sky will begin broadcasting the American show, Temptation Island, in which four couples are sent to a Caribbean island where their fidelity is tested by seductive singles; ITV is preparing another American hit, Survivor – Big Brother on a desert island – for broadcast later in the year; and tomorrow Granada will name the 12 men and women out of 8,000 volunteers who are to become, in the name of the show, Public Property. From 22 January for 12 weeks, each will be filmed as the decisions in their lives, from the romantic to the professional, are voted on by viewers. Some TV insiders believe it is the industry that should sort itself out before the "freak show" trend plumbs new depths. John Kaye Cooper, who holds the UK option on The Great Space Adventure format, said the trend would not last. "They will have gone within a year and something else will have taken their place." From JamesOberg@aol.com Sun Jan 14 16:24:08 2001 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:24:08 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] BBC game show to send contestants into space London: The Independent BBC game show to send contestants into space By Louise Jury, Arts and Media Correspondent http://www.independent.co.uk/news/UK/Media/2001-01/tvspace140101.shtml 14 January 2001 The search for TV game show novelty has finally taken its leave of Planet Earth. The BBC is just weeks away from signing a deal for an extraordinary new programme where thousands battle it out for the chance to go into space. The Great Space Adventure would see 500 competitors per round fighting for a place on one of the first commercial flights, soaring 70 miles into space and weightlessness. The winner would train at the American space camp for lift-off in around 2004. The series will join the increasingly desperate scramble for outlandish game shows in the Big Brother mould. On Wednesday, ITV launched Popstars, following the fates of would-be singers; two days later The Mole began on Channel 5, in which contestants face a series of challenges but have to work out which one of them is sabotaging their efforts; and the channel has also just announced Touching the Truck, where contestants will try to keep their hands on a £50,000 truck to win it. On Thursday, Sky will begin broadcasting the American show, Temptation Island, in which four couples are sent to a Caribbean island where their fidelity is tested by seductive singles; ITV is preparing another American hit, Survivor – Big Brother on a desert island – for broadcast later in the year; and tomorrow Granada will name the 12 men and women out of 8,000 volunteers who are to become, in the name of the show, Public Property. From 22 January for 12 weeks, each will be filmed as the decisions in their lives, from the romantic to the professional, are voted on by viewers. Some TV insiders believe it is the industry that should sort itself out before the "freak show" trend plumbs new depths. John Kaye Cooper, who holds the UK option on The Great Space Adventure format, said the trend would not last. "They will have gone within a year and something else will have taken their place." From jimdavis2@primary.net Sun Jan 14 18:30:08 2001 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:30:08 -0600 From: Jim Davis jimdavis2@primary.net Subject: [FPSPACE] R-5M Nuclear Test, GR-1, and UR-100 questions from "Challenge to Apollo" I have just finished Asif Siddiqi's monumental "Challenge to Apollo". Some questions occurred to me while reading so I thought I would post them here. 1.) Asif mentions an R-5M nuclear missile test in the 1950s which is completely successful from liftoff all the way through to the detonation of the warhead. Were any other Soviet nuclear missile systems tested in like manner before the test ban treaty made this impossible? In the US there was a Polaris A-2 firing and an ASROC shot but this is the first indication I've had of Soviet tests. 2.) Did both the Korolev and Chelomoy bureaus have a FOBS system with the designation "GR-1"? 3.) Did both the Yangel and Chelemoy bureaus have an ICBM with the designation "UR-100"? Thanks, Jim Davis From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Sun Jan 14 19:32:18 2001 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 14:32:18 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] BBC game show to send contestants into space On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 JamesOberg@aol.com wrote: > London: The Independent > BBC game show to send contestants into space > The Great Space Adventure would see 500 competitors per round fighting for a > place on one of the first commercial flights, soaring 70 miles into space and > weightlessness. The winner would train at the American space camp for > lift-off in around 2004. So are they signing a deal with MirCorp or with the other German TV concern? Although I'm skeptical that many (or all) of these things will get off the ground, if I was at NASA, I'd be worried that this will create disruptions. > Some TV insiders believe it is the industry that should sort itself out > before the "freak show" trend plumbs new depths. Saturday Night Live did a funny skit on this last night. They previewed several "new" Fox TV shows for the fall. One was a show called "Cannibal" where eight men are locked in a house for a year without food and we get to watch how they survive... DDAY From rusaerog@mcs.net Sun Jan 14 19:44:01 2001 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:44:01 -0600 From: Dennis Newkirk rusaerog@mcs.net Subject: [FPSPACE] FW: looking for Feliks Chelkis at Energomash --============_-1232621052==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Maybe someone on the list could aid this person... Please send replys to Debbie Chelkis. From: "Debbie Chelkis" >I was wondering if you could possibly help me. My name is Debbie Chelkis >Wilson. I am trying to research history pertaining to my Dad's side of >the family. I found the article (below) about a man by the name of Felix >or Feliks Chelkis. Do you have any more information about him? Do you >know how I might be able to contact him? I am putting together some >information for my grandfather and I want to find out if there is some >relation to this person. The Chelkis name is slowly dwindling and I want >to see if there are any distant relatives we are unfamiliar with. Thank >you so much for your time and consideration!!! > >" In other launch industry news, on Cosmonautics Day Boris Yeltsin >celebrated the RD-180 winning the potential billion dollar Lockheed- >Martin Atlas contract by visiting NPO Energomash in Khimki. The Russians >will get an additional windfall from the project since the RD-180 will be >reused in the Angara rocket family. The RD-180 program is headed by >Feliks Chelkis (Chief Designer). Production will start in July 1996 with >testing starting in November. " --============_-1232621052==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" FW: looking for Feliks Chelkis at Energomash
Maybe someone on the list could aid this person... Please send replys to Debbie Chelkis.

From: "Debbie Chelkis" <dchelkis@hotmail.com>
I was wondering if you could possibly help me.  My name is Debbie Chelkis Wilson.  I am trying to research history pertaining to my Dad's side of the family.  I found the article (below) about a man by the name of Felix or Feliks Chelkis.  Do you have any more information about him?  Do you know how I might be able to contact him?  I am putting together some information for my grandfather and I want to find out if there is some relation to this person.  The Chelkis name is slowly dwindling and I want to see if there are any distant relatives we are unfamiliar with.  Thank you so much for your time and consideration!!!
 
" In other launch industry news, on Cosmonautics Day Boris Yeltsin
celebrated the RD-180 winning the potential billion dollar Lockheed-
Martin Atlas contract by visiting NPO Energomash in Khimki. The Russians
will get an additional windfall from the project since the RD-180 will be
reused in the Angara rocket family. The RD-180 program is headed by
Feliks Chelkis (Chief Designer). Production will start in July 1996 with
testing starting in November. "
--============_-1232621052==_ma============-- From robert.c.dempsey1@jsc.nasa.gov Sun Jan 14 19:56:33 2001 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:56:33 -0600 From: DEMPSEY, ROBERT C. (JSC-DF25) robert.c.dempsey1@jsc.nasa.gov Subject: [FPSPACE] BBC game show to send contestants into space They would train at Space Camp? Not very rigorous training I would say. -----Original Message----- From: JamesOberg@aol.com [mailto:JamesOberg@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 10:20 AM To: fpspace@friends-partners.org Subject: [FPSPACE] BBC game show to send contestants into space London: The Independent BBC game show to send contestants into space By Louise Jury, Arts and Media Correspondent http://www.independent.co.uk/news/UK/Media/2001-01/tvspace140101.shtml 14 January 2001 The search for TV game show novelty has finally taken its leave of Planet Earth. The BBC is just weeks away from signing a deal for an extraordinary new programme where thousands battle it out for the chance to go into space. The Great Space Adventure would see 500 competitors per round fighting for a place on one of the first commercial flights, soaring 70 miles into space and weightlessness. The winner would train at the American space camp for lift-off in around 2004. From dave.woods@lmco.com Sun Jan 14 21:22:38 2001 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:22:38 -0500 From: Woods, Dave dave.woods@lmco.com Subject: [FPSPACE] BBC game show to send contestants into space I think the key indicator is "soaring 70 miles into space". That sounds like a ballistic flight and not into orbit, so I do not think NASA has to worry about this one. > Some TV insiders believe it is the industry that should > sort itself out before the "freak show" trend plumbs > new depths. Nevertheless, money talks, and if there is some twist that some producer can put on a theme that will get people to watch, you can beat that they will go for it. NASA and ISS I am sure will someday be confronted with unwelcome visitors requesting permission for a visit. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Dwayne Allen Day [SMTP:wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu] > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 2:32 PM > Cc: fpspace@friends-partners.org > Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] BBC game show to send contestants into space > > > On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 JamesOberg@aol.com wrote: > > > London: The Independent > > BBC game show to send contestants into space > > > The Great Space Adventure would see 500 competitors per round fighting > for a > > place on one of the first commercial flights, soaring 70 miles into > space and > > weightlessness. The winner would train at the American space camp for > > lift-off in around 2004. > > So are they signing a deal with MirCorp or with the other German TV > concern? > > Although I'm skeptical that many (or all) of these things will get off the > ground, if I was at NASA, I'd be worried that this will create > disruptions. > > > Some TV insiders believe it is the industry that should sort itself out > > before the "freak show" trend plumbs new depths. > > Saturday Night Live did a funny skit on this last night. They previewed > several "new" Fox TV shows for the fall. One was a show called > "Cannibal" where eight men are locked in a house for a year without food > and we get to watch how they survive... > > DDAY From JamesOberg@aol.com Mon Jan 15 05:48:16 2001 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:48:16 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Need LBJ Quote on "Together in Space Means Not War on Earth" I'm trying to get the precise wording attributed to President Johnson that once people have worked together in space they won't feel like fighting together on Earth, or something like that. Does anybody have it available in THEIR reference libraries? Thanks, JimO From cwdonald@ix.netcom.com Mon Jan 15 07:47:04 2001 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:47:04 -0800 From: Chuck Donaldson cwdonald@ix.netcom.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Review comments on the new film Thirteen Days? Yes I agree. > > On another newgroup email list I belong to there is a gent who constantly > attacks the US as "jingoistic war mongerers". The funny thing is, I've found > our higher ranking military men to be not so much war mongers as those with > political gain, as they TRULY understand the consequences of war. Arguably > our most effective Secretary of State ever was George C. Marshall, and where > did he come from? [You will find when you study the use of the Atomic bomb on Japan that the US Navy commanders were actually against it. They thought that it was a monsterous weapon. Yes the US Navy. So these guys were well aware of the loses of their men in a real war. It is why when rational military minds speak they do so with the idea of getting the war, battle, over very quickly and not drag it out like McNamara and his "wiz kids" did in Vietnam. The jingoistic war mongers it turns out are leftist civilians pretending they know how to fight a war. And usually the war is being fought against their leftist friends on the other side.] > > In short, I found this movie to be quite entertaining, but as mentioned very > much slanted as Kennedy being a hero (if you look closely he was NOT, not > then OR during the Bay of Pigs); and he, Bobby and "Kenny" the only thing > that stood between us and the military and nuclear proliferation. Sadly this > was not true. But again, revisionist history. > > Just my humble 2 centavos worth.... > > Al > > _______________________________________________ > FPSPACE mailing list > FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace From M.Wade@iaea.org Mon Jan 15 11:21:15 2001 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:21:15 +0100 From: M.Wade@iaea.org M.Wade@iaea.org Subject: [FPSPACE] R-5M Nuclear Test, GR-1, and UR-100 questions from "Challenge to Apollo" 1.) Asif mentions an R-5M nuclear missile test in the 1950s which is > completely successful from liftoff all the way through to the detonation > of > the warhead. Were any other Soviet nuclear missile systems tested in like > manner before the test ban treaty made this impossible? In the US there > was > a Polaris A-2 firing and an ASROC shot but this is the first indication > I've had of Soviet tests. > There were a number of such Soviet tests. I hope to have a complete list soon, but they included R-12 and R-7 shots as well as a number in support of ABM system development. R-5 details are at: http://astronautix.com/lvs/r5m.htm > 2.) Did both the Korolev and Chelomoy bureaus have a FOBS system with the > designation "GR-1"? > http://astronautix.com/lvs/n11gr.htm http://astronautix.com/lvs/ur200.htm The GR-1 designation was sometimes used as a systems requirement designation applicable to both systems. The Chelomei version was the UR-200. The GR-2 requirement was applied to both the UR-500 and a Korolev competitor based on the N-1 upper stages: http://astronautix.com/lvs/gr2.htm http://astronautix.com/lvs/pron8k82.htm http://astronautix.com/lvs/n11gr.htm > 3.) Did both the Yangel and Chelemoy bureaus have an ICBM with the > designation "UR-100"? > The UR-100 designation was only used for Chelomei's ICBM. Recent strategic forces histories say it was retroactively applied to the 8K84 missile. Yangel had competing designs, while Korolev's RT-2 solid propellant ICBM was another technical approach to the same requirement: http://astronautix.com/lvs/ur100.htm http://astronautix.com/lvs/rt2.htm http://astronautix.com/lvs/r26.htm I hope to update and expand the missile entries on the site over the next year. For example, Yangel had several light ICBM designs, some of them more directly corresponding to the UR-100, one of them authorised for development before being stopped so the bureau could concentrate on the R-36. From steve_zaloga@msn.com Mon Jan 15 11:30:22 2001 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 06:30:22 -0500 From: Steve Zaloga steve_zaloga@msn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] R-5M Nuclear Test, GR-1, and UR-100 questions from "Ch ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C07EBC.A3491100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim: 1. The R-5M shot was mostly successful but the warhead was a partial fizz= le (a fact only disclosed in recent years). 2. Chelomey had a paper project called GR-2 but was not an actual competi= tor in the FOBS competition. 3. Yangel's competitor in the light ICBM contest was the R-38 which never= reached metal. The main competitor to the Chelomey UR-100 was the Korole= v RT-2 (SS-13). Cheers! Steve Z. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Davis Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 3:08 PM To: fpspace@friends-partners.org Subject: [FPSPACE] R-5M Nuclear Test, GR-1, and UR-100 questions from "Ch I have just finished Asif Siddiqi's monumental "Challenge to Apollo". Som= e questions occurred to me while reading so I thought I would post them her= e. 1.) Asif mentions an R-5M nuclear missile test in the 1950s which is completely successful from liftoff all the way through to the detonation = of the warhead. Were any other Soviet nuclear missile systems tested in like manner before the test ban treaty made this impossible? In the US there w= as a Polaris A-2 firing and an ASROC shot but this is the first indication I've had of Soviet tests. 2.) Did both the Korolev and Chelomoy bureaus have a FOBS system with the designation "GR-1"? 3.) Did both the Yangel and Chelemoy bureaus have an ICBM with the designation "UR-100"? 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1. The R-5M shot was mostly successful but the warhead was a partial fi= zzle (a fact only disclosed in recent years).
2. Chelomey had = a paper project called GR-2 but was not an actual competitor in the FOBS = competition.
3. Yangel's competitor in the light ICBM contest = was the R-38 which never reached metal. The main competitor to the Chelom= ey UR-100 was the Korolev RT-2 (SS-13).
Cheers!
Ste= ve Z.

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I have just= finished Asif Siddiqi's monumental "Challenge to Apollo". Some
questi= ons occurred to me while reading so I thought I would post them here.
=
1.) Asif mentions an R-5M nuclear missile test in the 1950s which is<= BR>completely successful from liftoff all the way through to the detonati= on of
the warhead. Were any other Soviet nuclear missile systems teste= d in like
manner before the test ban treaty made this impossible? In t= he US there was
a Polaris A-2 firing and an ASROC shot but this is the= first indication
I've had of Soviet tests.

2.) Did both the Ko= rolev and Chelomoy bureaus have a FOBS system with the
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3.) Did both the Yangel and Chelemoy bureaus have an ICBM wit= h the
designation "UR-100"?

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Sven ---------------------------------------------------- Mr Sven Grahn | Kettering Group Rattviksvagen 44, S-192 71 Sollentuna, Sweden Tel: +46 8 7541904, svengrahn@wineasy.se http://www.users.wineasy.se/svengrahn/ ---------------------------------------------------- From jimdavis2@primary.net Tue Jan 16 05:04:55 2001 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:04:55 -0600 From: Jim Davis jimdavis2@primary.net Subject: [FPSPACE] R-5M Nuclear Test, GR-1, and UR-100 questions from "Challenge to Apollo" Mark Wade wrote: Firest, thanks to all who replied. A further question.. >> 3.) Did both the Yangel and Chelemoy bureaus have an ICBM with the >> designation "UR-100"? >> >The UR-100 designation was only used for Chelomei's ICBM. Recent strategic >forces histories say it was retroactively applied to the 8K84 missile. >Yangel had competing designs, while Korolev's RT-2 solid propellant ICBM was >another technical approach to the same requirement: Asif's website http://home.earthlink.net/~cliched/missiles/masterlist.html lists both the Chelemoy SS-11/SS-19 series and the Yangel SS-17 series as having an OKB designation "UR-100". Is there some reason for this? Thanks, Jim Davis From simon@japan.co.jp Tue Jan 16 05:48:33 2001 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:48:33 +1100 From: Simon Mansfield simon@japan.co.jp Subject: [FPSPACE] SPACEDAILY HEADLINES - Jan 16, 2001 -------------------------------------------- SPACEDAILY HEADLINES - Jan 16, 2001 ----------- QUICK SPACE - Wiring Problems Beset Shuttle Again http://www.spacedaily.com/news/shuttle-01b.html - China Starts In Orbit Experiments On Shenzhou-2 http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01i.html - Shenzhou-2 Goes In Search Of Galactic Explosions http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01j.html - Computer Models Generate Extreme Climate Events http://www.spacedaily.com/news/climate-01a.html - Defense Weather Bird Ready For Launch http://www.spacedaily.com/news/dmsp-01a.html - Working Today to Keep America Safe Tomorrow http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milspace-01a.html - SNAP-1: World's First 3-Axis Stabilised Nanosatellite http://www.spacedaily.com/news/nanosat-01a.html - Spherical Motor Allows 3-D Movement For Robots http://www.spacedaily.com/news/robot-01a.html - Yale Astronomers Discover Remains of Ancient Galaxies in the Milky Way http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milkyway-01a.html - Rosetta To Image Ice and Fire http://www.spacedaily.com/news/rosetta-01a.html - European rival to Global Position System still on track: agency http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010115160730.3vlw8mfo.html - EU downbeat on renewed climate talks http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010115125632.r806glj8.html - China builds new missile base across Taiwan: report http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010115053503.mxu1vs7u.html - Chinese spaceship orbits earth 60 times: government http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010113125757.47kms00d.html - Russia to provide details on destruction of Mir http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010112200912.h9hlisc5.html ------------------ HEADLINES IN BRIEF Jan 16, 2001 ------------ STATION NEWS - Wiring Problems Beset Shuttle Again http://www.spacedaily.com/news/shuttle-01b.html KSC- Jan. 16, 2001 - After additional testing and analysis of Solid Rocket Booster cables throughout the Shuttle fleet, Shuttle Program officials decided late today to return Atlantis to the Vehicle Assembly Building at the Kennedy Space Center to conduct further inspections. - Russia to provide details on destruction of Mir http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010112200912.h9hlisc5.html ------------ DRAGON SPACE - China Starts In Orbit Experiments On Shenzhou-2 http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01i.html Beijing - Jan 16, 2001 - Shenzhou-2 (SZ-2) mission was operating without a glitch, Xinhua News Agency announced on Saturday (Jan. 13) in the first mission status report. After completing 60 orbits as of Saturday, Beijing Aerospace Command and Control Centre (BACCC) said that the mission was running smoothly and science experiments began to collect data. - Shenzhou-2 Goes In Search Of Galactic Explosions http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01j.html Beijing - Jan. 16, 2001 - A set of science instruments are observing energetic astrophysical phenomena aboard the Shenzhou-2 (SZ-2) spacecraft in search of clues to solve the mysteries of these cosmic events. - Chinese spaceship orbits earth 60 times: government http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010113125757.47kms00d.html ---------- TERRADAILY - Computer Models Generate Extreme Climate Events http://www.spacedaily.com/news/climate-01a.html Washington - Jan. 16, 2001 - When scientists run computer models to simulate climate events, they often add elements, such as effect of volcanic eruptions, adding ice sheets, or altering the concentrations of greenhouse gases in the model's atmosphere. One NOAA scientist and his colleague discovered a large, abrupt climate event without the additions. - EU downbeat on renewed climate talks http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010115125632.r806glj8.html -------- SPACEWAR - Defense Weather Bird Ready For Launch http://www.spacedaily.com/news/dmsp-01a.html Vandenberg - Jan. 15, 2001 - A Defense Meteorological Satellite Program (DMSP) Block 5D-3 spacecraft, built under contract for the U.S. Air Force by Lockheed Martin Space Systems Company, Sunnyvale, Calif., is being prepared for launch on January 19, 2001. A Titan II launch vehicle, supplied by Lockheed Martin Space Systems Company in Denver, will carry the weather satellite into orbit from Vandenberg. - Working Today to Keep America Safe Tomorrow http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milspace-01a.html Schriever AFB - Jan. 15, 2001 - Most Americans don't spend much time thinking about what would happen if a "nation of concern" unexpectedly launched a missile carrying a nuclear, chemical or biological payload at North America. - China builds new missile base across Taiwan: report http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010115053503.mxu1vs7u.html --------- SPACEMART - SNAP-1: World's First 3-Axis Stabilised Nanosatellite http://www.spacedaily.com/news/nanosat-01a.html Guildford - Jan. 16, 2001 - At a 6-month mission review, engineers at the Surrey Space Centre and SSTL in the United Kingdom have reported on the continued in-orbit success of the highly advanced 6.5kg SNAP-1 nanosatellite mission. - Spherical Motor Allows 3-D Movement For Robots http://www.spacedaily.com/news/robot-01a.html Baltimore - Jan. 16, 2001 - Engineers at The Johns Hopkins University have invented a globe-shaped motor that is capable of rotating in any direction. The device, which uses electromagnets controlled by a computer, could give robotic arms greater flexibility and precision and might even allow the lowly computer mouse to guide the hand of the computer user, instead of the reverse. - European rival to Global Position System still on track: agency http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010115160730.3vlw8mfo.html ------------- SPACE SCIENCE - Yale Astronomers Discover Remains of Ancient Galaxies in the Milky Way http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milkyway-01a.html New Haven - Jan. 8, 2001 - Two Yale astronomers have discovered that, contrary to previous beliefs, the area around the Milky Way contains the remains of small galaxies that were torn apart by the Milky Way's gravity. - Rosetta To Image Ice and Fire http://www.spacedaily.com/news/rosetta-01a.html Paris - Jan. 16, 2001 - Sophisticated spacecraft such as ESA's Rosetta comet chaser are designed to carry state-of-the art instrumentation into the depths of the Solar System. However, innovative technology that has been developed for exploration beyond the Earth can sometimes find unusual applications back on the ground. From chenlan@mbox2.singnet.com.sg Tue Jan 16 07:09:34 2001 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:09:34 +0800 From: Chen Lan chenlan@mbox2.singnet.com.sg Subject: [FPSPACE] SPACEDAILY HEADLINES - Jan 16, 2001 My 2 cents to the term "Yuhangyuan". In China, there are three terms used for astronaut/cosmonaut. 1. Hangtianyuan -- This is the most official term or we can call it "semi-official". "Hangtian" is a word/prefix that has been promoted since mid of 70s. You can see in many occasions it is used. Remember four Chinese characters on Long March rocket? It is "China Space" in which space is represented by Hangtian (or Hang Tian, the latter two characters). However, Hangtianyuan (Yuan means -er/-ist) is not used so popular but you can find it appears frequently in professional/academic publications. 2. Yuhangyuan -- It is actually the most popular word in mainland China since 50s, when Sptunik made manned flight possible. Before mid of 70s, it is the only word for astronaut/cosmonaut in mainland China. Now, in about 50% occasions, people use this word for astronaut/cosmonaut, especially on official media. 3. Taikongren -- This word has similar long history of Yuhangyuan. It has been used in Hong Kong, Taiwan and overseas Chinese for many years. Since early 80s, this word has been popularized in mainland China, especially in southern China. It has a trend to replace yuhangyuan in future. In non-official media and publications, it has become the most frequently used word. Even official space magazines/web sites start to use it. Weighing from three sources, I think that "taikonaut", a "taikongren" variant combined English habit (-naut) is the most suitable word with simplicity, symmetry (with astronaut/cosmonaut) and beauty. Regards Chen Lan > - China Starts In Orbit Experiments On Shenzhou-2 > http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01i.html > > - Shenzhou-2 Goes In Search Of Galactic Explosions > http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01j.html From psclark@dircon.co.uk Tue Jan 16 07:30:53 2001 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 07:30:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Phillip Clark psclark@dircon.co.uk Subject: [FPSPACE] Shen Zhou manoeuvre, recovery prediction Shen Zhou 2 did a further manoeuvre yesterday morning - see listing below. On Shen Zhou 1 the landing came 37 minutes after the final equator crossing which was over ~36.5 deg E. Assuming the same final crossing point, and the same time-to-recovery after that then the projected landing time is 11.24 GMT today. Just don't remind me when it comes down late this afternoon instead ...... Phil ========================================================================== Catalogue Orbital Orbital Orbital Perigee Apogee Arg of Number Epoch Inclination Period Perigee deg min km km deg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- SHEN ZHOU 2 26664 2001 Jan 9.88 42.61 89.84 197 336 130 26664 2001 Jan 10.01 42.58 89.84 198 335 131 26664 2001 Jan 10.08 42.58 89.83 197 335 132 26664 2001 Jan 10.14 42.58 89.83 198 334 132 26664 2001 Jan 10.25 42.58 89.82 198 334 133 26664 2001 Jan 10.40 42.58 89.81 197 333 134 MANOEUVRE 1: JAN 10 AT 13.24 GMT 26664 2001 Jan 10.83 42.58 91.16 329 334 209 26664 2001 Jan 10.96 42.58 91.16 328 334 196 26664 2001 Jan 11.08 42.58 91.15 328 334 196 26664 2001 Jan 11.21 42.58 91.15 328 334 194 26664 2001 Jan 11.34 42.58 91.15 328 334 197 26664 2001 Jan 11.64 42.58 91.15 328 334 203 26664 2001 Jan 11.67 42.58 91.15 328 334 200 26664 2001 Jan 12.15 42.58 91.14 328 334 205 26664 2001 Jan 12.22 42.58 91.14 328 334 204 26664 2001 Jan 12.23 42.58 91.14 328 334 204 26664 2001 Jan 12.30 42.58 91.14 327 334 204 26664 2001 Jan 12.35 42.58 91.14 327 334 202 MANOEUVRE 2: JAN 12 AT 12.20 GMT 26664 2001 Jan 12.85 42.58 91.24 330 340 268 26664 2001 Jan 12.91 42.58 91.24 331 340 279 26664 2001 Jan 12.98 42.57 91.24 331 340 280 26664 2001 Jan 13.18 42.58 91.24 331 340 279 26664 2001 Jan 13.43 42.58 91.24 331 340 280 26664 2001 Jan 13.50 42.58 91.24 331 340 282 26664 2001 Jan 13.87 42.58 91.23 330 340 288 26664 2001 Jan 13.99 42.58 91.23 330 340 289 26664 2001 Jan 14.05 42.58 91.23 330 340 289 26664 2001 Jan 14.20 42.58 91.23 330 340 287 26664 2001 Jan 14.26 42.58 91.23 330 340 287 26664 2001 Jan 14.32 42.58 91.23 330 340 288 26664 2001 Jan 14.45 42.58 91.23 330 340 289 26664 2001 Jan 14.51 42.58 91.23 330 340 289 26664 2001 Jan 14.93 42.58 91.23 330 339 292 26664 2001 Jan 15.21 42.58 91.22 330 339 296 26664 2001 Jan 15.46 42.58 91.22 330 339 297 MANOEUVRE 3: JAN 15 AT 10.47 GMT 26664 2001 Jan 15.82 42.58 91.29 330 346 309 26664 2001 Jan 15.95 42.57 91.29 330 346 309 CZ-2F SECOND STAGE 26665 2001 Jan 9.94 42.58 89.80 199 330 130 26665 2001 Jan 10.19 42.57 89.77 197 328 132 26665 2001 Jan 10.25 42.58 89.76 197 328 133 26665 2001 Jan 10.26 42.58 89.76 197 328 133 26665 2001 Jan 10.37 42.58 89.75 197 327 134 26665 2001 Jan 10.87 42.58 89.70 196 324 137 26665 2001 Jan 11.37 42.58 89.65 195 320 141 26665 2001 Jan 11.87 42.58 89.60 194 316 145 26665 2001 Jan 12.18 42.58 89.57 193 313 147 26665 2001 Jan 12.30 42.58 89.56 193 312 148 26665 2001 Jan 12.86 42.58 89.49 191 307 153 26665 2001 Jan 13.11 42.57 89.46 190 305 154 26665 2001 Jan 13.23 42.57 89.44 190 304 155 26665 2001 Jan 13.42 42.57 89.42 190 302 156 26665 2001 Jan 13.79 42.57 89.35 187 297 161 26665 2001 Jan 13.85 42.57 89.37 189 297 160 26665 2001 Jan 13.98 42.57 89.35 188 296 160 26665 2001 Jan 14.22 42.57 89.31 187 294 163 26665 2001 Jan 14.47 42.57 89.28 187 291 164 26665 2001 Jan 14.50 42.57 89.28 187 291 165 26665 2001 Jan 14.97 42.57 89.21 186 285 168 26665 2001 Jan 15.03 42.57 89.20 185 285 169 26665 2001 Jan 15.03 42.57 89.20 185 285 169 26665 2001 Jan 15.21 42.57 89.17 184 283 170 26665 2001 Jan 15.52 42.57 89.12 184 278 172 26665 2001 Jan 15.89 42.57 89.06 182 274 175 26665 2001 Jan 15.89 42.57 89.07 182 275 175 26665 2001 Jan 16.02 42.57 89.04 181 274 176 26665 2001 Jan 16.14 42.57 89.02 180 272 178 ========================================================================== --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip S Clark 22 Winterbourne Close Molniya Space Consultancy Hastings Compiler/Publisher, Worldwide Satellite Launches E Sussex TN34 1XG U.K. Specialist in "space archeology" - the older and more obscure the more interesting it is ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From chenlan@mbox2.singnet.com.sg Tue Jan 16 12:27:47 2001 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:27:47 +0800 From: Chen Lan chenlan@mbox2.singnet.com.sg Subject: [FPSPACE] Flash: Shenzhou 2 landed [January 16, 2001] Shenzhou 2 Successfully Landed The re-entry module of Shenzhou 2, China's second unmmaned spaceship, landed safely in Inner Mongolia today at 19:22 Beijing time (11:22 GMT). The 6 days 18 hours and 21 minutes mission has been fully successful. (CCTV, Xinhua) From clj@emc.com Tue Jan 16 12:24:01 2001 Date: 16 Jan 2001 07:24:01 -0500 From: Chris Jones clj@emc.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Flash: Shenzhou 2 landed Phillip Clark writes: [...] the projected landing time is 11.24 GMT today. ^^^^^^^^^ Just don't remind me when it comes down late this afternoon instead ...... "Chen Lan" writes: [January 16, 2001] Shenzhou 2 Successfully Landed The re-entry module of Shenzhou 2, China's second unmmaned spaceship, landed safely in Inner Mongolia today at 19:22 Beijing time (11:22 GMT). ^^^^^^^^^ I think we can ignore the 2 minutes and congratulate Phil for nailing this. Well done (Phillip Clark, Chen Lan, and all the Chinese participants in the flight)! From simon@japan.co.jp Tue Jan 16 12:20:06 2001 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:20:06 +1100 From: Simon Mansfield simon@japan.co.jp Subject: [FPSPACE] Shenzhou-2 Comes Down To Earth ------------ DRAGON SPACE Shenzhou-2 Comes Down To Earth http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01k.html Beijing (AFP) Jan. 16, 2001 - China's Shenzhou II spaceship, which blasted off last week in the country's second test of its future manned spacecraft, returned to Earth Tuesday after a week in orbit, state television announced. From dave.woods@lmco.com Tue Jan 16 12:38:25 2001 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 07:38:25 -0500 From: Woods, Dave dave.woods@lmco.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Shen Zhou manoeuvre, recovery predictions Phil, Looks like you need to rework your calculations. Try to improve on that two minute difference next time: 11:22 vs 11:24. . Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Phillip Clark [SMTP:psclark@dircon.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 2:31 AM > To: FPSPACE; SeeSat; Hearsat Mailing List > Subject: [FPSPACE] Shen Zhou manoeuvre, recovery prediction > > Assuming the same final crossing point, and the same time-to-recovery > after that then the projected landing time is 11.24 GMT today. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > Phillip S Clark 22 Winterbourne Close > Molniya Space Consultancy Hastings > Compiler/Publisher, Worldwide Satellite Launches E Sussex TN34 1XG > U.K. > > Specialist in "space archeology" - the older and more obscure the more > -----Original Message----- From: Chen Lan [SMTP:chenlan@mbox2.singnet.com.sg] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 7:28 AM To: fpspace@friends-partners.org Subject: [FPSPACE] Flash: Shenzhou 2 landed [January 16, 2001] Shenzhou 2 Successfully Landed The re-entry module of Shenzhou 2, China's second unmmaned spaceship, landed safely in Inner Mongolia today at 19:22 Beijing time (11:22 GMT). The 6 days 18 hours and 21 minutes mission has been fully successful. (CCTV, Xinhua) From psclark@dircon.co.uk Tue Jan 16 13:11:56 2001 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:11:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Phillip Clark psclark@dircon.co.uk Subject: [FPSPACE] Shen Zhou 2 success With the recovery of Shen Zhou 2 it looks like this flight has been an unqualified success. So, once more congratulations to the Chinese behind the programme. And tough on anyone who doesn't think I should say that for political reasons. Phillip Clark --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip S Clark 22 Winterbourne Close Molniya Space Consultancy Hastings Compiler/Publisher, Worldwide Satellite Launches E Sussex TN34 1XG U.K. Specialist in "space archeology" - the older and more obscure the more interesting it is ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From JamesOberg@aol.com Tue Jan 16 13:48:59 2001 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:48:59 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Shen Zhou 2 success In a message dated 1/16/01 7:16:25 AM Central Standard Time, psclark@dircon.co.uk writes: << So, once more congratulations to the Chinese behind the programme. >> Hear, hear! Well done! And I'm happy it WAS done! From Palladium@aol.com Tue Jan 16 14:12:20 2001 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:12:20 EST From: Palladium@aol.com Palladium@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [FPSPACE] Shen Zhou 2 success --part1_40.61f0294.2795b0c4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_40.61f0294.2795b0c4_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: Palladium@aol.com Full-name: Palladium Message-ID: <7b.ef58d13.2795aece@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:03:58 EST Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Shen Zhou 2 success To: JamesOberg@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part2_40.61f0294.2795aece_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 171 --part2_40.61f0294.2795aece_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/16/01 5:53:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, JamesOberg@aol.com writes: > << So, once more congratulations to the Chinese behind the programme. >> > > Hear, hear! Well done! And I'm happy it WAS done! > Let me add my voice to the chorus: Kudos! Congrats! Can't wait for the followup! Let's see Taikonauts take to orbit before 2001 is out (and thereby fulfill at least ONE of Sir A.C. Clarke's prophecies). DS Michaels --part2_40.61f0294.2795aece_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/16/01 5:53:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,
JamesOberg@aol.com writes:


<< So, once more congratulations to the Chinese behind the programme. >>

Hear, hear! Well done! And I'm happy it WAS done!


Let me add my voice to the chorus: Kudos! Congrats! Can't wait for the
followup! Let's see Taikonauts take to orbit before 2001 is out (and thereby
fulfill at least ONE of Sir A.C. Clarke's prophecies).

DS Michaels --part2_40.61f0294.2795aece_boundary-- --part1_40.61f0294.2795b0c4_boundary-- From cliched@earthlink.net Tue Jan 16 13:17:52 2001 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:17:52 -0400 From: Joy cliched@earthlink.net Subject: [FPSPACE] UR-100 questions Jim Davis wrote: >Asif's website http://home.earthlink.net/~cliched/missiles/masterlist.html >lists both the Chelemoy SS-11/SS-19 series and the Yangel SS-17 series as >having an OKB designation "UR-100". Is there some reason for this? As I list in my website, the SS-11 had the UR-100 (and UR-100K, UR-100M, UR-100U) designations ...while... the SS-17 had the MR UR-100 (and MR UR-100U) designations so they're slightly different. My understanding is that even though they were two very different missiles, the MR UR-100 used the modified silos and transport containers that the original UR-100 used. I suspect this was the reason for the similar (but not identical designations) -- although I am not 100% sure of this. Asif From M.Wade@iaea.org Tue Jan 16 14:57:40 2001 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:57:40 +0100 From: M.Wade@iaea.org M.Wade@iaea.org Subject: [FPSPACE] UR-100 questions The MR-UR-100 vs UR-100N was the famous case where two chief designers both had so much clout with different portions of the Soviet leadership that Brezhnev decided to put both competing missiles into production rather than make a decision for one or the other..... The requirement was the same (replacement of the UR-100 in existing siloes with a missile with 50% more capability) The other versions beyond the basic UR-100 reflected upgrades of the missile introduced during the production run (adding pen-aids or MRV capability) or replacement designs when its storage life had been exceeded (these missiles were sealed units that had to be replaced after the rated storage life). It is not clear to what extent these newer models were completely new or partial rebuilds of the older ones (I would think that common detailed parts would be inspected and reused). The MR-UR-100 / UR-100N were the substantially different 'silo stuffer' missiles. The reuse of the designation (which originated with Chelomei, it was not a government requirement description) might also reflect the same wisdom prevalent in the Pentagon - that a new weapon system is easier to sell to the leadership if it is represented as an 'upgrade' to an existing system. McNamara once said one of his big mistakes (at least in terms of Congressional relations) was allowing the C-3 SLBM to be dubbed 'Poseidon' instead of 'Polaris C-3'. As a fourth Polaris version, it would have been much easier to sell than a 'new' missile. Good examples of the application of this principle include Titan I vs Titan II, F/A-18A/C vs F/A-18E/F, R-36 vs R-36M. In each case a virtually new machine was represented as a 'modification' of existing hardware... with government approval being obtained much more easily.... ========================== Mark Wade From M.Wade@iaea.org Tue Jan 16 15:19:57 2001 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:19:57 +0100 From: M.Wade@iaea.org M.Wade@iaea.org Subject: [FPSPACE] Soviet Rocket Designations I wonder if I could poll the group on Soviet rocket designations. Since the end of Glasnost, we have become aware of up to 7 different designations for every missile. Which of these do you consider the preferred version - combining accuracy while being 'user friendly' when writing? From least to most accurate/specific, these would be: Article Number, eg: 15A18 - this is the official government designation. This appears ususally in official military histories, is actually stamped on the detailed parts, and is the most specific. This is probably the most accurate. Problems: they're relatively unknown and difficult to remember.... Bureau designation, eg R-36MU - these are ususally used in design bureau memoirs etc. The problem is some inconsistencies in relation to article numbers. This is my vote for the one to use, because they seem friendlier than the article numbers, and run in a sequence at least. Arms Treaty Designations: eg RS-20: These are designations provided in official arms limitation treaty protocols, with the designations seeming to be almost mischevious as a method of disinformation. These often appear in various memoirs and histories, and seem to have real substance in the case of SLBM's. DoD Designations: eg SS-18 Mod 3. I think these should be phased out in general writing, since they are now shown to not always correspond to the actual missile mods built. ASCC Reporting Names: eg Satan. The Russian writers seem to like some of these, and they're fun to say, and Western reporters seem to love them.... but the same name applies sometimes to a rather large family of missiles. In the case of launch vehicles, we have in addition the Sheldon Library of Congress designations (F-1, G-1, etc) and the Russian popular name (Dnepr, Proton-M, etc)..... ========================== Mark Wade m.wade@iaea.org From steve_zaloga@msn.com Tue Jan 16 15:59:43 2001 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:59:43 -0500 From: Steve Zaloga steve_zaloga@msn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Soviet Rocket Designations ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C07FAB.6E249400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark: Regarding the Soviet missile designations: The GURVO designations (e.g. 15A18) are part of a general pattern of Sovi= et industrial index numbers. They are also widely used on other weapon sy= stems, and also extend to sub-components. They stem from the engineering = practice of labelling drawings, and probably came into Russia via German = engineering practices. The Bureau (e.g. R-36) designations are also official government designat= ors, and are often found in the TTZ/ministerial decrees. =20 A type of designation not mentioned in your list was the policy of naming= systems that was first adopted by Ustinov in the mid 1970s (and which al= so extended to other types of weapons). So we have Pioner, Molodets, Tsel= ina, Voevoda, etc. These were adopted specifically because the other two = methods of naming weapon systems were so confusing to policy makers. Treaty pseudonyms are utterly fictitious. They were dreamed up by the MoD= as Grechko wouldn't even release the slightest bit of data during arms c= ontrol negotiations, even the proper designations for missiles. They have= no relation to anything and are the least useful form of identification. There is actually another form of DoD intelligence designator, the tempor= ary designators (e.g. KY-19, TT-06, NE-04, PL-05). These are used when te= lemetry first comes in if it is not clear whether the missile is a new ty= pe or simply a variant of an existing type. The first two letters indicat= e the launch site, the next two are sequential numeric. They are not wide= ly reported in open literature, but they do crop up in declassified CIA a= nd other DoD material. Cheers! Steve Z. ----- Original Message ----- From: M.Wade@iaea.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 10:27 AM To: fpspace@friends-partners.org Subject: [FPSPACE] Soviet Rocket Designations I wonder if I could poll the group on Soviet rocket designations. Since t= he end of Glasnost, we have become aware of up to 7 different designations f= or every missile. Which of these do you consider the preferred version - combining accuracy while being 'user friendly' when writing? From least t= o most accurate/specific, these would be: Article Number, eg: 15A18 - this is the official government designation. This appears ususally in official military histories, is actually stamped= on the detailed parts, and is the most specific. This is probably the most accurate. Problems: they're relatively unknown and difficult to remember.= ... Bureau designation, eg R-36MU - these are ususally used in design bureau memoirs etc. The problem is some inconsistencies in relation to article numbers. This is my vote for the one to use, because they seem friendlier than the article numbers, and run in a sequence at least. Arms Treaty Designations: eg RS-20: These are designations provided in official arms limitation treaty protocols, with the designations seeming = to be almost mischevious as a method of disinformation. These often appear i= n various memoirs and histories, and seem to have real substance in the cas= e of SLBM's. DoD Designations: eg SS-18 Mod 3. I think these should be phased out in general writing, since they are now shown to not always correspond to the actual missile mods built. ASCC Reporting Names: eg Satan. The Russian writers seem to like some of these, and they're fun to say, and Western reporters seem to love them...= . but the same name applies sometimes to a rather large family of missiles. In the case of launch vehicles, we have in addition the Sheldon Library o= f Congress designations (F-1, G-1, etc) and the Russian popular name (Dnepr= , Proton-M, etc)..... =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D Mark Wade m.wade@iaea.org _______________________________________________ FPSPACE mailing list FPSPACE@friends-partners.org http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace
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Mark:
Regarding the Soviet missile designations:
The GURVO design= ations (e.g. 15A18) are part of a general pattern of Soviet industrial in= dex numbers. They are also widely used on other weapon systems, and also = extend to sub-components. They stem from the engineering practice of labe= lling drawings, and probably came into Russia via German engineering prac= tices.
The Bureau (e.g. R-36) designations are also offic= ial government designators, and are often found in the TTZ/ministerial de= crees. 
A type of designation not mentioned in your = list was the policy of naming systems that was first adopted by Ustinov i= n the mid 1970s (and which also extended to other types of weapons). So w= e have Pioner, Molodets, Tselina, Voevoda, etc. These were adopted specif= ically because the other two methods of naming weapon systems were so con= fusing to policy makers.
Treaty pseudonyms are utterly fictiti= ous. They were dreamed up by the MoD as Grechko wouldn't even release the= slightest bit of data during arms control negotiations, even the proper = designations for missiles. They have no relation to anything and are the = least useful form of identification.
There is actually another= form of DoD intelligence designator, the temporary designators (e.g. KY-= 19, TT-06, NE-04, PL-05). These are used when telemetry first comes in if= it is not clear whether the missile is a new type or simply a variant of= an existing type. The first two letters indicate the launch site, the ne= xt two are sequential numeric. They are not widely reported in open liter= ature, but they do crop up in declassified CIA and other DoD material.
Cheers!
Steve Z.

----- Original Message -----
From: M.Wade@iaea.org=
Sent: Tuesday, January= 16, 2001 10:27 AM
To: = fpspace@friends-partners.org
Sub= ject: [FPSPACE] Soviet Rocket Designations

=
I wonder if I could poll the group on Soviet rocket designations. Sin= ce the
end of Glasnost, we have become aware of up to 7 different desi= gnations for
every missile. Which of these do you consider the preferr= ed version -
combining accuracy while being 'user friendly' when writi= ng? From least to
most accurate/specific, these would be:

Artic= le Number, eg: 15A18 - this is the official government designation.
Th= is appears ususally in official military histories, is actually stamped o= n
the detailed parts, and is the most specific. This is probably the m= ost
accurate. Problems: they're relatively unknown and difficult to re= member....

Bureau designation, eg R-36MU - these are ususally used= in design bureau
memoirs etc. The problem is some inconsistencies in = relation to article
numbers. This is my vote for the one to use, becau= se they seem friendlier
than the article numbers, and run in a sequenc= e at least.

Arms Treaty Designations: eg RS-20: These are designat= ions provided in
official arms limitation treaty protocols, with the d= esignations seeming to
be almost mischevious as a method of disinforma= tion. These often appear in
various memoirs and histories, and seem to= have real substance in the case
of SLBM's.

DoD Designations: e= g SS-18 Mod 3. I think these should be phased out in
general writing, = since they are now shown to not always correspond to the
actual missil= e mods built.

ASCC Reporting Names: eg Satan. The Russian writers = seem to like some of
these, and they're fun to say, and Western report= ers seem to love them....
but the same name applies sometimes to a rat= her large family of missiles.

In the case of launch vehicles, we h= ave in addition the Sheldon Library of
Congress designations (F-1, G-1= , etc) and the Russian popular name (Dnepr,
Proton-M, etc).....


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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C07FAB.6E249400-- From WSpaceport@aol.com Tue Jan 16 16:41:50 2001 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:41:50 EST From: WSpaceport@aol.com WSpaceport@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] FWD: Editorial -- Keep Goldin at Helm of NASA FYI -- Seen in todays' issue (January 16) of The Bakersfield Californian. . . Regards, Jim Spellman NSS/Western Spaceport Chapter ****************************************************** http://www.bakersfield.com/opinion/Story/275686p-257501c.html EDITORIAL: Keep him at helm of NASA Filed: 01/16/2001 President-elect George W. Bush should recognize that his father made a sound decision by appointing Daniel Goldin as administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration in 1992. Although Goldin is considered by many space experts as the best director in NASA's history, the younger Bush reportedly is unsure about retaining him. Under Goldin's direction, NASA has a long list of significant accomplishments: An international space station that will pave the way for technological innovations. Successful explorations of the solar system. A 100 percent safety record. When Goldin came aboard, NASA still had not recovered from the demoralizing and devastating 1986 space shuttle Challenger disaster that killed seven astronauts. He put new life into NASA by refocusing the agency from costly large-scale space projects prone to lengthy delays to implementation of smaller and more practical projects. Before his tenure, the average spacecraft cost about $600 million and took eight years to build. It now costs $200 million for a spacecraft that takes about five years develop. Goldin accomplished this through a major overhaul of what experts considered an aimless agency. He took the lessons he learned in the private sector as head of TRW Space & Technology Group and trimmed the fat from NASA. Despite impressive space missions, he cut NASA's payroll from 24,000 to 18,000. Nevertheless, NASA launched the Mars Pathfinder, which sent back incredible pictures of the planet. There also was the failure of two Mars probes in 1999, but Goldin was up front and took the blame rather than attempting to deflect it onto subordinates. His critics blamed his motto of "faster, better and cheaper" for the failures but Goldin's philosophy has been the linchpin for major successful programs. Goldin also is concerned about the shape of the aerospace industry that plays such a vital role in California's economy. He believes the industry needs to be revamped to meet foreign competition. This includes, he said in a recent Los Angeles Times interview, more "intellectual diversity" that can be obtained by rekindling "a three-way partnership between university research, the aerospace industry and government laboratories." The new president would be wise in keeping Goldin at the helm of NASA. From clj@emc.com Tue Jan 16 17:07:26 2001 Date: 16 Jan 2001 12:07:26 -0500 From: Chris Jones clj@emc.com Subject: [FPSPACE] FWD: Editorial -- Keep Goldin at Helm of NASA WSpaceport@aol.com writes: Jim Spellman NSS/Western Spaceport Chapter ****************************************************** http://www.bakersfield.com/opinion/Story/275686p-257501c.html [...] Although Goldin is considered by many space experts as the best director in NASA's history, the younger Bush reportedly is unsure about retaining him. Better than James Webb? From svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Tue Jan 16 20:07:39 2001 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:07:39 +0100 From: Sven Grahn svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Subject: [FPSPACE] Article about Shenzhou-2 updated Dear Friends, I have updated the little article with notes about Shenzhou-2 with a summary of the orbital history of the flight and maps of the launch and recovery orbits. * Go to my Web site http://www.users.wineasy.se/svengrahn * Click on "What's New"? * Select entry for 16 January 2001 Best Wishes Sven Grahn ---------------------------------------------------- Mr Sven Grahn | Kettering Group Rattviksvagen 44, S-192 71 Sollentuna, Sweden Tel: +46 8 7541904, svengrahn@wineasy.se http://www.users.wineasy.se/svengrahn/ ---------------------------------------------------- From robot@ultimax.com Tue Jan 16 19:30:29 2001 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:30:29 -0400 From: Robert G Kennedy III robot@ultimax.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: Nomenclature Mark Wade wrote: >I wonder if I could poll the group on Soviet rocket designations. Since the [snip] Not to mention the hated (by me) SL-nn designations. Not only is it at least as obscure at the Soviet article number system, but it's occasionally incorrect and misleading as well (sometimes groups things that shouldn't be, doesn't group things that should). I wish to hell TRW would quit using it. The Soviet article numbering system (which Jonathan McDowell and Mark Wade use) has the important advantage of being exactly correct, even if obscure. However, I remember when *all* of these systems were obscure and contradictory, so I don't view that as a showstopper. At least it's consistent (bugaboo of petty minds and all). Soviet popular names are fun and descriptive, but they got recycled way too much for payloads, spacecraft, entire programs and even other rockets. They're confusing, and sometimes plain wrong (sometimes on purpose). Isn't it true that Voskhod and Luna were never proper designations for two of the R-7 derivatives? Save them for singular use in popular writing. N.A.T.O CODENAMEs represent another needless layer of complexity, and are occasionally incorrect and always misleading. Likewise for arms control and US DoD designations - forget 'em altogether. The Sheldon system maps to technical "families" and major block versions rather well, and also maps to era (time of development), more or less. "A" is the whole class of R-7 Semyorka derivatives, "D" is the whole Proton class, etc. (Well, I'll admit "D-1-e" vs. "D-1" has always confused me.) I like Sheldon's system the best - descriptive, succinct, and usually unambiguous. I suggest using Sheldon's system with the Soviet article number in parentheses to be precise in a scholarly article. When writing a popular article, put the popular name (e.g. "Proton") in parentheses and quotes, to be used just in the context of that article. Remember, policymakers read this stuff, and the political types are even more easily confused than engineers like me. I agree that extending a logical, consistent, unambiguous, succinct, descriptive nomenclature down the spectrum to include ballistic missiles presents a real problem. Personally, I punt, by not including ballistic missiles because they're for suborbital flights. (Then of course the Russians screwed me up by launching payloads into orbit with SLBMs off a sub....) Needless to say (but I'll say it anyway) the American commercial naming system is truly abysmal. far worse than even the Soviet popular names. Totally lacking in clarity or consistency. For instance, which is correct - Roman or Arabic numerals? The point of shorthand is to *save* time, not consume it. Couldn't be worse if we were *trying* to deceive the reader. -- Robert Kennedy, PE http://www.ultimax.com From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Tue Jan 16 21:23:40 2001 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:23:40 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: Nomenclature Please allow me to comment on something I know practically nothing about... On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Robert G Kennedy III wrote: > Not to mention the hated (by me) SL-nn designations. Not only is it at > least as obscure at the Soviet article number system, but it's occasionally > incorrect and misleading as well (sometimes groups things that shouldn't The SL designations were based upon US intelligence assessments of Soviet/Russian rockets, so naturally they're going to be short on information. Change the third stage and the Defense Dept. might never notice. In addition, I believe that this designation system is discontinued. It makes no sense to use it if the designations will not be applied to new rockets. > be, doesn't group things that should). I wish to hell TRW would quit using > it. TRW is a defense contractor. They take all of their cues on the Space Log from the DoD. I don't think they have even formally included the names of US CORONA satellites yet, even though the program was declassified awhile back. And they have no incentive to "scrub" their list to clean it up. It's annoying, but there you go. > The Sheldon system maps to technical "families" and major block versions > rather well, and also maps to era (time of development), more or less. "A" > unambiguous. I suggest using Sheldon's system with the Soviet article > number in parentheses to be precise in a scholarly article. When writing a > popular article, put the popular name (e.g. "Proton") in parentheses and > quotes, to be used just in the context of that article. Remember, > policymakers read this stuff, and the political types are even more easily > confused than engineers like me. Except for the big problem that Sheldon is dead and isn't classifying new rockets. So you run into exactly the same problem as the SL system. > Needless to say (but I'll say it anyway) the American commercial naming > system is truly abysmal. far worse than even the Soviet popular names. > Totally lacking in clarity or consistency. For instance, which is correct - > Roman or Arabic numerals? The point of shorthand is to *save* time, not > consume it. Couldn't be worse if we were *trying* to deceive the reader. And how is it any different from classifying automobiles or airplanes? D From robot@ultimax.com Tue Jan 16 20:16:39 2001 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:16:39 -0400 From: Robert G Kennedy III robot@ultimax.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: nomenclature One other thing: Sheldon's system is *extensible* (for at least the next 100 years) meaning the namespace can readily accommodate new articles. Extensibility is an important property when designing namespaces. No system does well with the increasingly common practice of mixing-and-matching various upper stages, which often results in quite different capabilities. Whatever system is voted for Soviet rockets, I suggest a different system be used as shorthand for rockets from each other major spacefaring nations. This is so one can tell at a glance where the rocket was made by the format of the designator, even if the particular model is unfamiliar (e.g., most Chinese rockets are prefixed with "CZ-"). -- Robert Kennedy, PE http://www.ultimax.com From clj@emc.com Tue Jan 16 21:49:58 2001 Date: 16 Jan 2001 16:49:58 -0500 From: Chris Jones clj@emc.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: nomenclature Robert G Kennedy III writes: One other thing: Sheldon's system is *extensible* (for at least the next 100 years) meaning the namespace can readily accommodate new articles. Extensibility is an important property when designing namespaces. Unfortunately, if we assume that the N-1 lunar launcher is a G-1-e, then the Zenit launcher is H-1, which collides with a Japanese launcher name, and the combination of Start, Energiya, and Dnepr gets us dangerously close to reusing N-1 for another launcher. I think Sheldon's system has seen its time pass. For satellite launchers, I prefer to use the common names (e.g. Soyuz, Proton, Atlas) with modifiers if necessary (e.g. Proton-M, Atlas V). This isn't always completely specific, so, for Russian launchers, the article numbers are a fine way to disambiguate when its necessary. For other launchers, you may need to resort to such kludges as "Delta 7925 with the upgraded Star-foobar strapons" if it's really important to know. From MSSMITH@crs.loc.gov Tue Jan 16 23:08:03 2001 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:08:03 -0500 From: Marcia Smith MSSMITH@crs.loc.gov Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: nomenclature For those who are interested, I continue to use the Sheldon system and add new designations when necessary. Charles may be gone, but CRS is still here! Since Charles' death, two designations have been added. Geoff Perry of the Kettering Group, who also has left us now, had discussed with Charles what the next vehicle designation would be after the F vehicle (Cyclone). The letter G had come to be associated with the N-1 vehicle, and h and i were used for upper stages, hence Charles had decided that the next new vehicle would be J. When Zenit appeared, Geoff and I designated it J. We later designated Energia as K. I appreciate the comments of those who support continued usage of the Sheldon system. I certainly will continue to use it in many of my reports. It is handy, but can also be obscure. Since the reports we write are for use by Congress, they need to be understandable by those who are not immersed in space activities, never mind Russian space activities specifically. Most of our reports also are page limited and I can't waste space on dual designations. Hence, I usually use the colloquial names even though they can be confusing. In reports where I have sufficient room, I add the Sheldon designation. I wish you all luck on reaching consensus on which of the many designators is best, but please be assured, Dwayne, that the Sheldon system lives. With best regards, Marcia Smith Specialist in Aerospace and Telecommunications Policy Congressional Research Service/RSI 101 Independence Ave., S.E. Library of Congress Washington, D.C. 20540-7450 202-707-7076 202-707-7000 (fax) mssmith@crs.loc.gov From jimdavis2@primary.net Wed Jan 17 02:31:09 2001 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:31:09 -0600 From: Jim Davis jimdavis2@primary.net Subject: [FPSPACE] UR-100 questions Asif wrote: >>Asif's website http://home.earthlink.net/~cliched/missiles/masterlist.html >>lists both the Chelemoy SS-11/SS-19 series and the Yangel SS-17 series as >>having an OKB designation "UR-100". Is there some reason for this? > >As I list in my website, > >the SS-11 had the UR-100 (and UR-100K, UR-100M, UR-100U) designations >...while... >the SS-17 had the MR UR-100 (and MR UR-100U) designations > >so they're slightly different. > >My understanding is that even though they were two very different missiles, >the MR UR-100 used the modified silos and transport containers that the >original UR-100 used. I suspect this was the reason for the similar (but >not identical designations) -- although I am not 100% sure of this. Thanks to you and Mark Wade for clearing this up. I was reading your list as having MR and UR-100 as two separate designations for the same vehicle. And let me add that your "Challenge to Apollo" was a fantastic value on every level. I would not have hestitated to pay much more for this book. Jim Davis From simon@japan.co.jp Wed Jan 17 04:01:36 2001 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:01:36 +1100 From: Simon Mansfield simon@japan.co.jp Subject: [FPSPACE] SpaceDaily FP Edition - Jan 17, 2001 ------------------------------------ SPACEDAILY HEADLINES - Jan 17, 2001 Special FPspace Edition ----------- QUICK SPACE - Last checks for Russian ship that will bring down space-station Mir http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010116134305.0upuokpi.html - Shenzhou Spacecraft Structure Partially Revealed http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01l.html - Astrium Invests $15 Million In Spacehab's Cargo Carrier Program http://www.spacedaily.com/news/spacehab-01a.html - Hughes Wins Major South African VSAT Deal http://www.spacedaily.com/news/vsat-01a.html ------------------ HEADLINES IN BRIEF Jan 17, 2001 ------------ DRAGON SPACE - Shenzhou Spacecraft Structure Partially Revealed http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01l.html Beijing - Jan. 17, 2001 - Some details of the Shenzhou manned spacecraft structure came to light Jan. 15 in an article published in the Beijing Evening Post. Although there was no significant revelation in the article, the bits and pieces of information offers a teasing glimpse of the enigmatic Shenzhou spacecraft. --------- SPACEMART - Astrium Invests $15 Million In Spacehab's Cargo Carrier Program http://www.spacedaily.com/news/spacehab-01a.html Washington - Jan. 17, 2001 - Spacehab, has completed a deal with Europe's space giant Astrium to significantly expand its strategic partnership with the company through a sale-leaseback agreement for Spacehab's Integrated Cargo Carrier (ICC) program worth $15.4 million in cash and services to Spacehab. - Hughes Wins Major South African VSAT Deal http://www.spacedaily.com/news/vsat-01a.html Germantown - Jan. 16, 2001 - Hughes Network Systems (HNS) will provide Telkom South Africa Limited, South Africa's leading communications operator, with an extensive range of very small aperture terminal (VSAT) satellite equipment and services to serve the country's metropolitan and rural areas. -------------- This is a special edition of SpaceDaily Express that edited for FPspace. To receive our full edition please subscribe directly by sending email to free-subscribe@spacer.com and place your email address in the body text of the email. From psclark@dircon.co.uk Wed Jan 17 05:34:08 2001 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 05:34:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Phillip Clark psclark@dircon.co.uk Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: Nomenclature On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Dwayne Allen Day wrote: > > be, doesn't group things that should). I wish to hell TRW would quit using > > it. > TRW is a defense contractor. They take all of their cues on the Space Log > from the DoD. I don't think they have even formally included the names of > US CORONA satellites yet, even though the program was declassified awhile > back. And they have no incentive to "scrub" their list to clean it > up. It's annoying, but there you go. With regard to the TRW Space Log listings, the problem is a simple one. Right now within TRW there is no interest in authorising a new edition of the Space Log, and thus no way of updating the information. I know that the editor - Tina Thompson - has all of the updating material, but unless someone comes along and says "here's the money to do a new Space Log" then there won't be any further editions. So far the number of people who have written in to TRW to say "where is my year 1999 Space Log ?" can be counted on the fingers of one hand. Now, of course, if people want to start a writing campaign then that might persuade TRW to finance a new edition, but right now it looks as if the issue covering 1998 will be the last one to be published. The editor is willing to "go" with a new edition if someone gives her the budget to work with. Oh, and if a writing campaign begins, please don't mention my name ! Phillip Clark --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip S Clark 22 Winterbourne Close Molniya Space Consultancy Hastings Compiler/Publisher, Worldwide Satellite Launches E Sussex TN34 1XG U.K. Specialist in "space archeology" - the older and more obscure the more interesting it is ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cwdonald@ix.netcom.com Wed Jan 17 06:47:46 2001 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:47:46 -0800 From: Chuck Donaldson cwdonald@ix.netcom.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: Nomenclature One thing that this group could do is to create a basic database, say in Excel, that starts with the most accurate naming scheme, as: 7K-L1 then UR-500 then Proton then etc. We could develop the headings, for each old, really old, and bad designation that are known. Once done this database released by us could become a reference standard for all future aerospace writers. With this database they, and in fact all of us, would have a definitive and highly accurate source that could be placed at the end of all future aerospace, spaceage, and space history books. Just as a group set the standard for IP addresses, it would be FPSpace that would release this "table" or highly accurate reference source for all to use hoping of course they credit FPSpace as the source. So the headings (just as a suggestion) would be at the top Country TYPE Military Name Sheldon DOD TRW USA ICBM SM-65 Atlas SovietUnion SpaceLauncher 8K-82 Proton SL-9 SovietUnion MannedMoonBooster N-1 Lenin G-1 SL-15 SovietUnion ICBM 8K72 Semyorka A SS-6(Sapwood) A SovietUnion HeavyLiftBooster Energiya SL-17 You get the general idea. This could have a long heading list, and of course there will be some blank cells because some items were never named by Sheldon or others because they came after his last resting place in the Cosmos. But, I do agree with Wade's priority naming scheme. It's a good start. I wonder if we should use Soviet Union as IRBM, ICBM boosters prior to say, 1990 and after 1990 we would use Russia. I believe a few of you have created these kinds of tables before, in fact I know you have because stuck away in one of my three ring binders is one of these types of tables. Anyway, after it is completed, proofed, and ready for a press release we could generate a PDF file of the Table and release it to all of the media. It's worth a try. You would set a standard. It would prevent a lot of writers from reinventing the wheel. cwdonald > > > The Sheldon system maps to technical "families" and major block versions > > rather well, and also maps to era (time of development), more or less. "A" > > > unambiguous. I suggest using Sheldon's system with the Soviet article > > number in parentheses to be precise in a scholarly article. When writing a > > popular article, put the popular name (e.g. "Proton") in parentheses and > > quotes, to be used just in the context of that article. Remember, > > policymakers read this stuff, and the political types are even more easily > > confused than engineers like me. > > Except for the big problem that Sheldon is dead and isn't classifying new > rockets. So you run into exactly the same problem as the SL system. > [Which is why there would be some blank cells in the table.] > > > D > > _______________________________________________ > FPSPACE mailing list > FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace From tcools@village.uunet.be Wed Jan 17 08:56:23 2001 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:56:23 +0100 From: Tristan Cools tcools@village.uunet.be Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: nomenclature At 18:08 16-01-01 -0500, you wrote: >For those who are interested, I continue to use the Sheldon system and add new designations when necessary. Charles may be gone, but CRS is still here! > I am also a Sheldon system user. The reason for this is that the system is so recognizable. You can find my Satellite launches reports at: http://www.gallery.uunet.be/tcools/satimage/kunstman/kunstman.htm Greetings, Tristan Cools tcools@village.uunet.be Belgian Working Group Satellites(BWGS) Damse Vaart: 3.2478E/51.2277N - OBS place 1 Ryckevelde: 3.2856E/51.2045N - OBS place 2 Brugge: 3.2166E/51.2104N - OBS place 3(home) HTTP://gallery.uunet.be/tcools/satimage/index.htm From eric@spaceadventures.com Wed Jan 17 13:09:42 2001 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:09:42 -0500 From: Eric Anderson eric@spaceadventures.com Subject: [FPSPACE] BBC game show to send contestants into space F-SPACE'ers: We have been working with BBC for some time on this project. They are using many of our products in the production, with the culminating prize being one of our sub-orbital flights to space. This same production and type of television game show has already aired in Denmark. Check out http://missionen.tv2.dk/ for some information on that program -- it was called "The Great Mission" Best Eric Anderson CEO, Space Adventures www.spaceadventures.com >>-----Original Message----- >>From: fpspace-admin@friends-partners.org >>[mailto:fpspace-admin@friends-partners.org]On Behalf Of >>JamesOberg@aol.com >>Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 11:24 AM >>To: fpspace@friends-partners.org >>Subject: [FPSPACE] BBC game show to send contestants into space >> >> >> >>London: The Independent >>BBC game show to send contestants into space >>By Louise Jury, Arts and Media Correspondent >>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/UK/Media/2001-01/tvspace140101.shtml >>14 January 2001 >> >>The search for TV game show novelty has finally taken its leave of Planet >>Earth. The BBC is just weeks away from signing a deal for an >>extraordinary >>new programme where thousands battle it out for the chance to go >>into space. >> >>The Great Space Adventure would see 500 competitors per round >>fighting for a >>place on one of the first commercial flights, soaring 70 miles >>into space and >>weightlessness. The winner would train at the American space camp for >>lift-off in around 2004. >> >>The series will join the increasingly desperate scramble for >>outlandish game >>shows in the Big Brother mould. On Wednesday, ITV launched Popstars, >>following the fates of would-be singers; two days later The Mole began on >>Channel 5, in which contestants face a series of challenges but >>have to work >>out which one of them is sabotaging their efforts; and the >>channel has also >>just announced Touching the Truck, where contestants will try to >>keep their >>hands on a £50,000 truck to win it. >> >>On Thursday, Sky will begin broadcasting the American show, Temptation >>Island, in which four couples are sent to a Caribbean island where their >>fidelity is tested by seductive singles; ITV is preparing another >>American >>hit, Survivor – Big Brother on a desert island – for broadcast >>later in the >>year; and tomorrow Granada will name the 12 men and women out of 8,000 >>volunteers who are to become, in the name of the show, Public >>Property. From >>22 January for 12 weeks, each will be filmed as the decisions in >>their lives, >>from the romantic to the professional, are voted on by viewers. >> >>Some TV insiders believe it is the industry that should sort itself out >>before the "freak show" trend plumbs new depths. >> >>John Kaye Cooper, who holds the UK option on The Great Space Adventure >>format, said the trend would not last. "They will have gone >>within a year and >>something else will have taken their place." >> >>_______________________________________________ >>FPSPACE mailing list >>FPSPACE@friends-partners.org >>http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace >> From cliched@earthlink.net Wed Jan 17 12:57:49 2001 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:57:49 -0400 From: Joy cliched@earthlink.net Subject: [FPSPACE] Nomenclature Chuck Donaldson wrote: >One thing that this group could do is to create a basic database, say in >Excel, that starts with the most accurate naming scheme, as: 7K-L1 then >UR-500 then Proton then etc. I have something similar to that at my website at: http://home.earthlink.net/~cliched/spacecraft/launcher.html Basically, it's a conversion table between various designations for space launch vehicles. A similar table is at the end of my book on pp. 917-919. I probably need to update it a little bit, though. I'd also like to thank Jim Davis and others for their generous words on my new book. All much much appreciated on this end.... Asif From SWotzlaw@t-online.de Wed Jan 17 14:18:00 2001 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:18:00 +0100 From: Stefan Wotzlaw SWotzlaw@t-online.de Subject: [FPSPACE] Brainpool-TV Human Space Flight JamesOberg@aol.com schrieb: > > Regarding the latest "commercial human space flight" project: > > The German TV program "Brainpool" announcement > (http://www.brainpool.de/servlet/IbMenu/ID=3883) > refers to a press conference in Bremen on December 12. > > I hope our German colleagues can cover this, > and share what they learn. Go to: www.space-commander.com/en/home.php3 and you find more informations about the "space game". I believe, they buy the third seat in one Soyuz spacecraft (via Astrium, and the Russian partners are Energia and Rosaviakosmos). If Denis Tito will go to ISS in spring, it seems to be possible to do it. Let´s wait for results or take part in the game ! Stefan Wotzlaw, Dessau, Germany From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Wed Jan 17 14:52:56 2001 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:52:56 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Soyuz guide on RussianSpaceWeb For those of you who haven't visited russianspaceweb.com, I'd suggest going there immediately and clicking on the Soyuz section (under "Spacecraft"). It provides a schematic of the spacecraft and if you move your cursor over the system listings on the side, the relevant piece of equipment is highlighted. It is a really outstanding guide to the spacecraft. I only wish that all space websites were this innovative. Great work! DDAY From JamesOberg@aol.com Wed Jan 17 15:05:14 2001 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:05:14 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Russia to launch ship to bring Mir era to end Russia to launch ship to bring Mir era to end 05:53EST 01-17-01 Oleg Akhmetov, BAIKONUR, Kazakhstan, Jan 17 (Reuters) - Russia launches a cargo rocket on Thursday to guide the Mir space station out of orbit in the countdown to next month's termination of the accident-prone craft. A Progress M1-5 rocket will serve as undertaker, blasting off from Kazakhstan's windswept Baikonur cosmodrome at 0656 GMT. Four days later it will dock with the 130-tonne unmanned Mir before helping to ditch it safely in the Pacific after February 20. If the automatic docking controlled from the earth fails, a Russian crew of Gennady Padalka and Nikolai Budarin is ready to take off in 12 days to guide the station out of orbit manually. This would end the 15-year history of Mir, whose first part was launched into orbit on February 20, 1986, with an originally designed life-span of just three years. Russia, struggling to overcome an economic crisis after almost a decade of steep recession, could not find some $200 million needed to maintain the station and decided in November to dump Mir into the ocean on its 15th, and last, birthday. "We might have exploited Mir with high safety standards for a long time. But we need stable financing," Kazakh cosmonaut Talgat Musabayev told Reuters. The cargo ship will deliver fuel that Mir needs to complete its trip to self-destruction and will also start pushing the space station out of orbit. A HISTORY OF RECORDS AND ACCIDENTS -- Cash-strapped Russia, where whole regions are regularly plunged into darkness due to power cuts and many use kerosene lamps and home-made stoves to survive the winter, has long regarded the record-breaking station as an example of its technological genius. The station, visited by 28 long-term expeditions with a total of 106 cosmonauts, has set many records. Musabayev spent a total of over 30 hours in one month working outside the station in outer space to secure his place in the Guinness Book of Records. Russian Sergei Avdeyev, who spent a total of 747 days in space, remains the only cosmonaut in the world to have toasted the New Year three times in orbit. The station, which has hosted 44 cosmonauts from the former Soviet Union and the same number of U.S. astronauts, has hosted nine visits by U.S. Shuttle crafts. But Mir has also seen a number of frustrating glitches. In February 1997, fire broke out when cosmonauts tried to change an air filter. Mir's energy supply fell dramatically after a Progress cargo craft hit Mir during docking a few months later and damaged its solar batteries. In September 1997, a computer failed, leaving Mir out of orientation in the sun. As Russia sought investors to prolong the Mir programme, the station went into hibernation in September 1999 after Mission Control shut down its main computer by accident. A BITTER FAREWELL -- After the dumping of Mir, Russia will focus on the ambitious $60 billion, 16-nation venture aiming to build the ISS. But for many who remember the heyday of the Soviet space industry, when state funds were spent generously on the sector to dazzle the West with its achievements, the dumping of Mir will mean the end of a whole epoch. "Thursday's launch would have been nothing out of the ordinary if it wasn't aimed at guiding Mir out of its orbit," Nikolai Zelenshchikov, first deputy head of the Energiya corporation that runs Mir, told Reuters. "This is sad, but we understand that Mir's work must come to an end and we should then switch over to building the International Space Station (ISS)," he said. From lklaes@bbn.com Wed Jan 17 17:41:53 2001 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:41:53 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] The CIA predicts the future Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:22:50 -0800 Subject: "What happened to good old-fashioned espionage?" To: "Nightline Mailing List" From: Nightline List-Unsubscribe: Reply-To: Nightline TONIGHT'S SUBJECT: The CIA predicts the future. A new CIA report lays out what they think the world will look like in the year 2015, and what new threats the United States will face. I've been worrying about today for more than a week. We have two broadcasts on the CIA's view of the future just about ready to go. Our producers have been working on them for weeks. Originally there were going to be three, but we found out yesterday that the interview for the third show had been cancelled. But our idea was to run these programs right before Inauguration Day, as a look at some of the things the new administration will face. But then Mr. Ashcroft arrived on the public stage, and the hearings were scheduled for this week. Now we covered the first day of the hearings last night. Our concern was whether there would be so much news coming out of the hearings that we would have to postpone the CIA broadcasts. The worst-case scenario would be that we run the first CIA program tonight, and then have to turn back to the Ashcroft hearings tomorrow. We really don't want to split the two shows up, but this is a danger we face every time we do a series, even if it's just two broadcasts. So we're watching the hearings today, and if there is major news, or if there is some other breaking story, we're ready to switch subjects -- but hopefully not. We're guessing that there won't be major news coming out of Capitol Hill, at least for the next two days. The CIA report is pretty interesting. They lay out what they think the shape of the world will be in 15 years. Some of their conclusions will surprise you, they certainly surprised us. Water may turn out to be a major cause of conflict. New diseases will affect where and how the U.S. military is deployed. The world is changing in ways we never expected, and the pace of those changes is faster than ever before. Does it make sense for the CIA to be worried about the outbreak of a new disease or whether a dam in Turkey will lead to war with Syria? What happened to good old-fashioned espionage, microfilm, missile plans, and all that cool spy stuff? Like I said, the world is changing. The definition of a "threat to the U.S." now goes far beyond the military capability of a hostile nation. Drug cartels are richer and better armed than many countries, borders are breaking down. It's going to be an interesting time. Ted sat down at CIA headquarters with a group of Agency analysts who helped produce the report, and we'll lay out their predictions, and their fears, over the next two nights. At least that's our plan for now. I intend to keep worrying about other news cropping up and interfering with our plans. But then that's part of our job. Wednesday, Jan. 17, 2001 Leroy Sievers Executive Producer "Nightline" Offices Washington, D.C. ---- Chat with Nightline guests and find articles, transcripts and video excerpts on our Web site at: http://abcnews.go.com/Sections/Nightline/ You can unsubscribe to the Nightline e-mail at: http://abcnews.go.com/onair/dailynews/nightlineunsubscribe.html From cwdonald@ix.netcom.com Wed Jan 17 17:57:20 2001 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:57:20 -0800 From: Chuck Donaldson cwdonald@ix.netcom.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Nomenclature Yes, this is a good table. Now we just have to internationalize it. cwdonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 4:57 AM Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Nomenclature > > Chuck Donaldson wrote: > > >One thing that this group could do is to create a basic database, say in > >Excel, that starts with the most accurate naming scheme, as: 7K-L1 then > >UR-500 then Proton then etc. > > I have something similar to that at my website at: > > http://home.earthlink.net/~cliched/spacecraft/launcher.html > > Basically, it's a conversion table between various designations for space > launch vehicles. A similar table is at the end of my book on pp. 917-919. > > I probably need to update it a little bit, though. > > I'd also like to thank Jim Davis and others for their generous words on my > new book. All much much appreciated on this end.... > > Asif > > > _______________________________________________ > FPSPACE mailing list > FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace From lklaes@bbn.com Wed Jan 17 18:10:43 2001 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:10:43 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Mir in the Moon I know this is a long shot, but were you able to view any detail of Mir in front of the Moon, such as the space station's solar panels? An uncommon observation, to be sure. Here is an article from an astronomer who also viewed an artificial satellite crossing in front of Earth's natural satellite: http://www.seds.org/pub/info/newsletters/ejasa/1989/jasa8910.txt Larry At 08:16 PM 01/06/2001 +0100, Raoul Lannoy wrote: >Hello all, >At around 16:18 UT, I went to the attic, finally saw >Venus above an appartment roof, on the other side of the >street and turned my back to have a look at Jupiter and >the Moon with my 20 x 80 binoculars. Suddenly, I see a >point of light rushing towards the Moon (it had no >blinking lights and followed a familiar ISS or MIR path) >and it CROSSED the MOON, yes, it went inside the Moon and >crossed it in a fraction of a second. I'm quite puzzled >because I don't remember seeing it on Heavens Above, so >early, and check the time: 16:20 UT. Back to the PC, I >check Mir's passages. There's only one at 17:54. >However, tomorrow, there are 2 passages and there are 94 >minutes between 2 orbits. If you substract 94 minutes >from 17:54, you arrive at.....16:20 !!! >I live at 51d12m25sN-4d25m21sE >This was totally unexpected! > >Raoul > > > > From lklaes@bbn.com Wed Jan 17 18:59:27 2001 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:59:27 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] The Soviet Mars Probe and the Cuban Missile Crisis In light of the events surrounding the Cuban Missile Crisis being brought back into the light by the film Thirteen Days, I wanted to reinvestigate the story of how a Soviet Mars flyby probe launch on October 24, 1962, supposedly contributed to the hightened tension of that event. Previously my oldest source on the event was from Kenneth Gatland's 1973 book titled Robot Probes (Macmillan). In the book on page 169, Gatland mentions the 1962 incident from an unidentified US Goverment report. Then I found this information on the Web: http://www.igc.org/napf/articles/accidental.html 1962, Oct. 24: Russian satellite explodes. On 24 October a Russian satellite entered its parking orbit, and shortly afterwards exploded. Sir Bernard Lovell, director of the Jodrell Bank observatory wrote in 1968: "The explosion of a Russian spacecraft in orbit during the Cuban Missile Crisis... led the U.S. to believe that the USSR was launching a massive ICBM attack." The NORAD Command Post logs of the dates in question remain classified, possibly to conceal the reaction to this event. Its occurrence is recorded, and U.S. space tracking stations were informed on 31 October of debris resulting from breakup of "62 BETA IOTA". I thought the Soviet Mars probe incident was bad enough, but then to learn that the US launched *two* ICBM tests from Florida and VAFB during the Crisis along with an above-ground nuclear test in the Pacific Ocean and I had to wonder just how seriously the Mars probe event was taken? Can anyone here finally begin to clear up how the US reacted to this event? Thank you. Larry From raoul.lannoy@pandora.be Wed Jan 17 19:11:38 2001 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:11:38 +0100 From: Raoul Lannoy raoul.lannoy@pandora.be Subject: [FPSPACE] Mir in the Moon >I know this is a long shot, but were you able to view >any detail of Mir in front of the Moon, such as the >space station's solar panels? > >An uncommon observation, to be sure. Here is an article >from an astronomer who also viewed an artificial satellite >crossing in front of Earth's natural satellite: > When Mir passed in front of the Moon it seemed to have dissapeared. It gave the impression Mir passed behind the Moon. This was because the glare from the Moon was far too strong , compared to Mir's magnitude. I used 20 x 80 binoculars and all we can ever see in this case, even when it's Mir, is a single point of light (in the night sky background). After reading the article here: http://www.seds.org/pub/info/newsletters/ejasa/1989/jasa8910.txt I have serious doubts: a satellite takes a fraction of a second to cross the Moon. It really is very very very fast!!!! If the guy spotted a satellite (for 10-15 seconds) it had to have been extremely far (like a Molnya third stage?) and with a 60 mm refractor, none can be seen like this. It must have been a bird. Raoul From Jennifer.Green@SW.Boeing.com Wed Jan 17 21:42:38 2001 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:42:38 -0600 From: Green, Jennifer L Jennifer.Green@SW.Boeing.com Subject: [FPSPACE] FPSPACE web resource With talk of putting a designation database on a web site as a resource, it seems a good time to discuss the FPSPACE homepage at www.fpspace.org. If you go to that site you'll see that there have been no updates since 1997. The fact that there's still a "NEW" button next to the FPSPACE 96 and 97 Workshop pages should be a good indication. ;-) The main reason for the lack of content is that the FPSPACE Director has been either overworked or just plain lazy over the past couple of years. So.... I would like to update the site into something that really is usable - and Anton Nemchinov has volunteered to use his web authoring skills to make the update look really good. However, what we need is content - and this is why I'm writing. Basically, thanks to Greg Cole at the University of Tennessee (founder of Friends & Partners - the "parent" organization to FPSPACE) there is a server available for users of this e-mail list which has basically no storage limit and is free. Mark Wade has his encyclopedia on the friends-partners server for this reason. So I would like to propose forming a "FPSPACE.org" committee to bring together people interested in turning the unused FPSPACE website into something useful. The sky's the limit on what we can put on there - although we'll need to keep it related to space and appropriate in content (i.e., no porn, no political bandstanding, nothing illegal, etc). I have another e-mail list called "fpspace-admin" setup that we can use to exchange information and coordinate. If you're interested in participating in the committee or in contributing content please write me directly. Thanks! Jennifer Green Director FPSPACE From robot@ultimax.com Thu Jan 18 05:11:36 2001 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:11:36 -0400 From: Robert G Kennedy III robot@ultimax.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: nomenclature DDAY replied: >Except for the big problem that Sheldon is dead and isn't classifying new >rockets. So you run into exactly the same problem as the SL system. Well, Mr. Dewey has been dead a long time, too, but libraries still manage to classify new books with the Dewey Decimal System, don't they? I'll bet that even a certain book /Eyes in the Sky/ which was mentioned by a certain Mr. Donald Rumsfeld during his Senate confirmation hearing recently, has a DD number. So we extend the useful system which Mr. Sheldon created for us, and to honor his work, we continue to use his name. Simple. >And how is it any different from classifying automobiles or airplanes? All makes of cars have an implied two-digit field in their designator, namely the year of manufacture. This is logical, extremely descriptive, and succinct. All I have to say is '69 Mustang vs. '79 Mustang, and you see what I mean. Like night and DAY. It's also extensible, which as I've said, is a good property fo naming systems. Boeing, on the other hand, seems to have painted themselves into a corner with their naming convention, because the first and last digits of 7x7 are basically content-free. Semantic nulls. Whatever are they going to do when they build more than ten airplanes? Now, it is true that my website still uses a lot of SL-nn designators, but I plan to fix that as soon as I can confirm the original data is not wrong. I extend warm greetings to our lurker from the halls of the CRS, Marcia Smith. I was going to reply to Chris Jones about Japanese H's vs. Russian H's, but Marcia covered it. Btw, the Japanese use an alphanumeric system for their rockets, but they spell out it out (e.g., Mu-5) which is quite distinctive. Regrettably, Western press tends to truncate these designators (e.g. Mu-5 --> M-5). So, what's the full Japanese spelling of H-2? > Anyway, after it is completed, proofed, and ready for a press release we >could generate a PDF file of the Table and release it to all of the media. >It's worth a try. You would set a standard. It would prevent a lot of >writers from reinventing the wheel. That is a laudable goal for a group like this. I mind the Kettering Group and their contributions.... -- Robert Kennedy, PE http://www.ultimax.com From jrespler@superlink.net Thu Jan 18 06:12:34 2001 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:12:34 -0500 From: JAY RESPLER jrespler@superlink.net Subject: [FPSPACE] Mir in the Moon > If the guy spotted a satellite (for 10-15 seconds) it had to have been > extremely far (like a Molnya third stage?) and with a 60 mm refractor, none > can be seen like this. It must have been a bird. > Raoul I've seen some Molniya with 20x80 binoculars, and I think possibly a couple with 8x56. -- Jay Respler -- JRespler@superlink.net SKY VIEWS: http://mars.superlink.net/jrespler/skyviews.htm Satellite Tracker * Early Typewriter Collector Freehold, New Jersey From psclark@dircon.co.uk Thu Jan 18 07:24:27 2001 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 07:24:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Phillip Clark psclark@dircon.co.uk Subject: [FPSPACE] SZ 2 orbital module manoeuvres (fwd) The orbital data for the SZ 2 orbital module indicates that it manoeuvred during January 17th. I was expecting that it would perform attitude control manoeuvres, but not significant orbit-raising manoeuvres. Nice to know that the Chinese can still surprise us ! Phillip Clark ========================================================================== Catalogue Orbital Orbital Orbital Perigee Apogee Arg of Number Epoch Inclination Period Perigee deg min km km deg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26687 2001 Jan 16.54 42.59 91.30 330 346 316 26687 2001 Jan 16.60 42.58 91.29 330 346 316 26687 2001 Jan 16.71 42.59 91.29 330 346 317 26687 2001 Jan 16.78 42.59 91.29 330 346 317 26687 2001 Jan 16.84 42.59 91.29 330 346 318 26687 2001 Jan 17.36 42.59 91.28 330 345 319 26687 2001 Jan 17.85 42.59 92.48 389 403 117 26687 2001 Jan 17.86 42.59 92.48 388 404 125 26687 2001 Jan 18.12 42.59 92.48 388 404 126 26687 2001 Jan 18.19 42.59 92.48 388 404 126 ========================================================================== --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip S Clark 22 Winterbourne Close Molniya Space Consultancy Hastings Compiler/Publisher, Worldwide Satellite Launches E Sussex TN34 1XG U.K. Specialist in "space archeology" - the older and more obscure the more interesting it is ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From simon@japan.co.jp Thu Jan 18 11:19:39 2001 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:19:39 +1100 From: Simon Mansfield simon@japan.co.jp Subject: [FPSPACE] SpaceDaily Headlines FP Edition ------------ STATION NEWS - Mir Space Station Loses Balance http://www.spacedaily.com/news/mir-01c.html Moscow (AFP) Jan. 18, 2001 - Russia's space station Mir has lost its balance, forcing a delay in the launch of the Progress supply ship needed to bring the station back down to Earth, space control officials told AFP on Thursday. -------- SPACEWAR - India Stands Up To China With Test http://www.spacedaily.com/news/india-01a.html New Delhi (AFP) Jan. 18, 2001 - India's test of its nuclear-capable Agni-II missile during a visit by Chinese leader Li Peng reflects a growing regional confidence that will have registered in Beijing, analysts said Thursday. - China Warns US To Keep Taiwan Out Of Any Missile Defence Plans http://www.spacedaily.com/news/bmdo-01c.html Beijing (AFP) Jan. 18, 2001 - China Thursday warned the incoming administration of US President-elect George W. Bush against including Taiwan in any missile defence shield and urged Washington to end all weapons sales to the island. From M.Wade@iaea.org Thu Jan 18 13:57:54 2001 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:57:54 +0100 From: M.Wade@iaea.org M.Wade@iaea.org Subject: [FPSPACE] Cargo Ship's Flight To Mir Delayed Cargo Ship's Flight To Mir Delayed by ALEXANDER MERKUSHEV Associated Press Writer KOROLYOV, Russia (AP) -- Russian Mission Control on Thursday called off the launch of a cargo ship intended to help bring the Mir space station down after a power failure disabled the orbiter's orientation system. Such power failures have long plagued the Mir, but there were crews aboard to help fix the problem. The Mir has been flying unmanned since last summer, and the Progress M1 cargo ship was to have carried fuel needed to push the station down for dumping in a remote area of the Pacific Ocean in March. Mission Control chief Vladimir Solovyov said that the latest glitch would be fixed quickly and would not cause the Mir to spin out of control. He said there was no immediate need to send up an emergency crew to solve the problem. ''We will not allow the uncontrolled descent of the Mir station,'' Solovyov told reporters. The Progress M1 was to have blasted off Thursday from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakstan, but space officials called off the launch after Mir's voltage suddenly fell and gyroscopes, the preferred system of aligning the station, ground to a halt. The low power also knocked out Mir's central computer -- which controls the orientation system -- making the station unstable for a docking. ''The voltage on board some modules dropped below the norm, that is, below 27 volts. This has led to the emergency braking of gyroscopes, the steering bodies that control the station's orientation,'' Solovyov said. Mission Control spokesman Valery Lyndin said that ground controllers managed to quickly restart the computer Thursday and would be loading software and testing it through most of the day. They hope to switch the gyroscopes back on as early as Friday. ''The Progress could be launched in four or five days,'' he said. Last month, an abrupt loss of power caused Mission Control to lose contact with Mir for about 20 hours -- stoking fears of an uncontrolled plunge of the 140-ton station. Solovyov said this time that flight controllers were more careful and prevented the loss of communication when they saw the voltage falling. He said the problem had likely been caused by Mir's old batteries, which have become less capable of holding power. Mir was the jewel of the Soviet space program when it was launched on Feb. 20, 1986, and it has far surpassed the three to five years it was expected to last. But as it aged, a long string of accidents, including a fire and a near fatal collision with an unmanned cargo ship in 1997, have drawn comparisons with a rusting jalopy. After long hesitation, the Russian government finally decided last year to discard the Mir and concentrate resources on the new International Space Station, which the United States has urged for years. From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Thu Jan 18 15:45:48 2001 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:45:48 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: nomenclature On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Robert G Kennedy III wrote: > >Except for the big problem that Sheldon is dead and isn't classifying new > >rockets. So you run into exactly the same problem as the SL system. > > Well, Mr. Dewey has been dead a long time, too, but libraries still manage > to classify new books with the Dewey Decimal System, don't they? I'll bet Well, my concern was that there was no "authority" that was still using this system. But Ms. Smith corrected me and noted that CRS still uses it. Also, I think that technically the Dewey decimal system is no longer used universally. I'm not sufficiently energetic to contact the American Library Association, but I remember reading that they've adopted a new system. I know that my local library, for instance, puts biographies in a separate section labeled "biographies." > All makes of cars have an implied two-digit field in their designator, > namely the year of manufacture. This is logical, extremely descriptive, and > succinct. All I have to say is '69 Mustang vs. '79 Mustang, and you see Ah, but are you talking about the 69 Mustang with the rack and pinion steering or the one with the fuzzy dice hanging from the rear view mirror? DDAY From lklaes@bbn.com Thu Jan 18 16:06:44 2001 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:06:44 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Wilson rattles historians with 'bio-history' theories Wilson rattles historians with 'bio-history' theories By Gareth Cook, Globe Staff, 1/16/2001 History is no longer just the study of war and peace, of politicians and economics. If the next generation of historians hopes to understand the driving forces of humanity, they need to know the principles of ecology, population genetics, and even molecular biology. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/016/science/Wilson_rattles_historians_with _bio_history_theories+.shtml From lklaes@bbn.com Thu Jan 18 17:35:18 2001 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:35:18 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] The Architecture of Artificial-Gravity Environments for Long-Duration Space Habitation THE ARCHITECTURE OF ARTIFICIAL-GRAVITY ENVIRONMENTS FOR LONG-DURATION SPACE HABITATION Theodore Wayne Hall - 1994 ABSTRACT Gravity deprivation (weightlessness) leads to a multitude of problems for people during spaceflight. For reasons of health, comfort, and practicality, scientists have often proposed to provide artificial gravity by spinning the spacecraft. The spin-induced centripetal acceleration would act as an imperfect surrogate for natural gravity. Thus far, design studies for artificial-gravity spacecraft have emphasized the artifact rather than the environment. A great deal of engineering has gone into station dynamics, orbital mechanics, propulsion, power generation, structural capacity, and other aspects of satellite design. Very little has been written about the appropriate environmental design to support intelligent life under such a novel condition. The effort has gone into transplanting elements originally designed for earth-normal or microgravity environments, rather than developing a new paradigm. This dissertation aims to advance the science of environmental design for artificial gravity. It consolidates current knowledge from engineering, life science, and architecture, and introduces new material through mathematical derivation and computer simulation. The history of artificial gravity shows an evolution of assumptions, goals, and strategies that provides a precedent for further design development. The debilitating effect of prolonged weightlessness argues in favor of artificial gravity, but the discomforting effect of rotation sets limits on radius and angular velocity. Rotation is the only viable means of providing artificial gravity, but motion within a rotating environment involves Coriolis accelerations and cross-coupled rotations that have a detrimental effect on comfort and habitability. As the radius of rotation is reduced, the apparent gravity becomes increasingly twisted, regardless of the rate of rotation or the intensity of the gravity. With this twisting effect, east and west (prograde and retrograde) emerge as gravitationally distinct directions, similar to up and down. This suggests that the basic architectural grammar of wall, floor, and ceiling should be augmented in artificial gravity to recognize a fundamental gravitational distinction between walls. The goal of environmental design in artificial gravity is not to fool people into thinking they're on Earth, but rather, to help them orient themselves to the realities of their rotating environment. The rest of the dissertation is here: http://www0.arch.cuhk.edu.hk/~hall/ag/Dissertation/FrontMatter.htm From lklaes@bbn.com Thu Jan 18 17:45:41 2001 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:45:41 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Cassini Fails To Find Evidence Of Lightning On Venus From: Ron Baalke Subject: Cassini Fails To Find Evidence Of Lightning On Venus To: astro-l@uwwvax.uww.edu (Astronomy List) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:20:25 -0800 (PST) http://www.uiowa.edu/%7Eournews/2001/january/0117venus-lightning.html CONTACT: GARY GALLUZZO 100 Old Public Library Iowa City IA 52242 (319) 384-0009; fax (319) 384-0024 e-mail: gary-galluzzo@uiowa.edu Release: Jan. 17, 2001 UI space physicist fails to find evidence of lightning on Venus IOWA CITY, Iowa -- In an article published in the Jan. 18 issue of the journal Nature, University of Iowa space physicist Donald Gurnett says that a search for lightning on Venus in 1998 and 1999 using the Cassini spacecraft failed to detect high-frequency radio waves commonly associated with lightning. Gurnett's paper is certain to be of interest to other space physicists for whom the possible existence of lightning at Venus has long been controversial. "If lightning exists in the Venusian atmosphere, it is either extremely rare, or very different from terrestrial lightning," Gurnett says. "If terrestrial-like lightning were occurring in the atmosphere of Venus within the region viewed by Cassini, it would have been easily detectable." The Cassini spacecraft, which made its closest encounter with Jupiter on Dec. 30 and is scheduled to arrive at Saturn in July 2004, made two gravity-assisted fly-bys of Venus, the first on April 26, 1998 and the second on June 24, 1999. During the fly-bys the Radio and Plasma Wave Science Instrument (RPWS), with its three, 30-foot-long antennas, searched for impulsive high-frequency (0.125 to 16 MHz) radio signals. Gurnett, who serves as RPWS principal investigator, says that these signals, called "spherics," are always produced by lightning on Earth and are commonly heard as static on AM radios during thunderstorms. As a test of the RPWS ability to detect Earth-generated lightning, a search was conducted for spherics as Cassini made a close fly-by of the Earth on August 18, 1999. Not surprisingly, the instrument detected lightning continuously at rates up to 70 impulses per second while Cassini was located closer than 14 Earth radii. Despite the Cassini results, Gurnett cannot rule out the possibility that some type of low-frequency electrical activity may yet exist at Venus because radio signals cannot penetrate the ionosphere at frequencies below about 1 MHz. Therefore, no definitive statement can be made about the lightning spectrum at frequencies below about 1 MHz. "Since the atmosphere of Venus is very different from that of Earth, it is perhaps not surprising that electrical activity on Venus might be very different from lightning in the Earth's atmosphere," says Gurnett, who notes that lightning generally can be divided into two types, cloud-to-ground and the weaker cloud-to-cloud variety. "Because clouds over Venus are at very high altitudes of 40 kilometers or more, it is likely that lightning at Venus, if it exists, is primarily cloud-to-cloud. Terrestrial cloud-to-ground lightning is generally more intense than cloud-to-cloud so it is possible that the absence of impulsive high-frequency radio signals during the Venus fly-bys could be owing to the dominance of very weak cloud-to-cloud lightning at Venus." Gurnett says that electrical activity at Venus could also be cloud-to-ionosphere discharges. "At the Earth, there is a type of electrical discharge called a "sprite" that travels up from a cloud to the ionosphere. A sprite is not like lightning as we usually think of it," Gurnett says. "Sprites have a slow electrical discharge, meaning that they also have a low frequency and are very difficult to detect." Serious discussions over whether lightning exists at Venus began in 1978 when Venera, Russia's Venus lander, found low-frequency signals that some scientists called lightning, but others doubted for a variety of reasons. Later, physicist William Taylor, a former UI student of Gurnett's, in 1979 found what he considered to be evidence for lightning using the NASA Pioneer-Venus spacecraft. In 1990, using a Galileo spacecraft instrument similar to the one he designed for Cassini, Gurnett detected several small impulses that were interpreted at the time as being indicative of lightning. However, Galileo was some 60 times more distant from Venus than was Cassini, making the results much less significant than those of Cassini. Meanwhile, the Cassini spacecraft, launched in 1997, is continuing its journey to Saturn, where it is scheduled to begin a four-year exploration of Saturn, its rings, atmosphere and moons on July 1, 2004. Under the terms of a $9.6 million NASA contract, Gurnett and an international team of some18 co-investigators will use the RPWS to measure Saturn's powerful radio emissions, as well as its lightning discharges. Gurnett, a member of the National Academy of Sciences, is a veteran of more than 25 major spacecraft projects, including the Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 flights to the outer planets, the Galileo mission to Jupiter, and the Cassini mission to Saturn. He made the first observations of plasma waves and low-frequency radio emissions in the magnetospheres of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune and discovered lightning in the atmospheres of Jupiter and Neptune. Gurnett's University of Iowa co-authors in the Nature article include William Kurth, George Hospodarsky, and Terry Averkamp. From robot@ultimax.com Thu Jan 18 16:59:46 2001 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:59:46 -0400 From: Robert G Kennedy III robot@ultimax.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Anatoliy's site is excellent DDAY wrote: >For those of you who haven't visited russianspaceweb.com, I'd suggest >going there immediately and clicking on the Soyuz section (under >"Spacecraft"). It provides a schematic of the spacecraft and if you move >your cursor over the system listings on the side, the relevant piece of >equipment is highlighted. It is a really outstanding guide to the >spacecraft. I only wish that all space websites were this innovative. Regrettably, my browser is too old to support the objects and methods required. However, this is an excellent site. Kudos to Anatoliy. I haven't see an interactive graphic like Dwayne describes before - I hope Anatoliy gets a copyright. Two tiny nits: "cubic meters", not "cubical meters". Or you can implement cubic meters this way instead: m3 On the page http://www.russianspaceweb.com/soyuz.html the button link to the Venus exploration program incorrectly points to http://www.russianspaceweb.com/spacecraft_planetary_lunar.html instead. -- Robert Kennedy, PE http://www.ultimax.com From JamesOberg@aol.com Thu Jan 18 17:52:04 2001 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:52:04 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] "Russia and the West: Partnership or Confrontation" JimO: The gist of this seems to be that, regarding arms sales to Iran, these guys say, sure, the Americans could threaten us, and throw us off the Space Station, but so what? It's not a "serious area of cooperation" anyway. Well, these guys are NOT government spokesmen, they're professors. PRESS CONFERENCE WITH ALEXANDER KONOVALOV, STRATEGIC ASSESSMENTS INSTITUTE (SAI) PRESIDENT, AND SERGEI OZNOBISHCHEV, SAI DIRECTOR [PRESS DEVELOPMENT INSTITUTE, 15:10, JANUARY 15, 2001] Moderator: Thank you for joining us. Our topic is "Russia and the West: Partnership or Confrontation". And it gives me pleasure to introduce the two leaders of the Strategic Assessments Institute, Alexander Alexandrovich Konovalov, who is a Professor with the Moscow State Institute of International Relations and President of the Institute of Strategic Assessments and Sergei Konstantinovich Oznobishchev, director of the Institute of Strategic Assessments. So, Alexander Alexandrovich Konovalov will be the first to speak. Konovalov: Thank you for coming on such a bad day when the weather makes you feel murky in your soul, when it is dark and filthy in the streets. I would just like to say a couple of words by way of an introduction on the problems that should be of concern to us. There has been a change of administrations in the United States. You have already heard the first rebuke from Bush. I don't quite understand why it came as such a surprise to us because he has in fact repeated verbatim what he said in the second television debate. You remember that two of the three rounds failed to provide any of the sides with a tangible lead, but the second round was won by Bush although the topic was foreign policy on which he was expected to lose on every count because he is not a specialist. And on that occasion he said a very simple thing. He said exactly what he said in an interview with The New York Times. He said that America has been throwing money at the Russians to make them like us Americans. They have not become like us and the money settled in the pockets of Viktor Stepanovich Chernomyrdin. Viktor Stepanovich took offense and promises to sue him. Moderator: Did he sue? Konovalov: No, he didn't. But by taking offense he boosted the popularity of Bush Jr. The situation in the relations with the United States is very worrisome. There are no serious areas for cooperation except disposal of arms. And there is a very serious threat that -- you know that the only thing that really links us with the United States is the system of arms control, agreements on reductions and prospects for further agreements, all this is under threat. And we find ourselves in a stalemate situation. Perhaps, only Condoleezza Rice left a spark of hope when in her latest article in Foreign Affairs she wrote that a weak Russia was much more dangerous for America than a strong one. But I am not sure that one smart woman will be able to prevail upon such a large number of former defense secretaries and of those who -- I categorically disagree with the way President Putin at the Brunei summit told President Clinton, as a kind of farewell remark, that "your presidency marked a breakthrough" in Russian-American relations. In my view, it was not a breakthrough but a total failure. The Clinton presidency was one of the most destructive for Russian-American relations. I believe Russian foreign policy will increasingly reflect internal interests. There will be small interest in what America is going to say about Russia's activities in the foreign policy arena. This is illustrated by the prepared transaction with Iran. It can be said the transaction with Iran has been restored, the transaction to sell arms. Our desire will be not to do something pleasant for the United States but to pursue our national interest as our leadership understands it. True, there are many risks because we may be thrown out of the International Space Station, it may be decided not to use our Proton missiles to deliver payloads. Of course the Americans have more possibilities to exert economic influence on us than vice versa. But these possibilities, really, are not so numerous. You see, many of the channels linking us were destroyed in recent times. From lklaes@bbn.com Thu Jan 18 19:06:06 2001 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:06:06 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Part 2 of Nightline's the CIA predicts life in the Year 2015 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:14:42 -0800 Subject: Scaring Our Viewers To: "Nightline Mailing List" From: Nightline Reply-To: Nightline TONIGHT’S SUBJECT: Part two of our series on the CIA predictions for the year 2015. Tonight we look at three main areas, the change in the world’s population and demographics, the threat posed by new diseases, and believe it or not, water, rather than oil, becoming a cause of regional conflicts. Already this morning, I heard from three different people who said that last night’s broadcast scared them so much that they couldn’t watch the whole thing. Clearly from a ratings standpoint, this is not good. Seriously though, that surprised me. Those of you who saw the program know that the analysis put together by the CIA is a little bleak. But I think their purpose, and our purpose in running these broadcasts, is to raise these issues now so that the government, and the public, can prepare for them, and hopefully take the necessary steps to head off the more dire predictions, or at least be more prepared to react to some of these developments. As Ted said in the interview last night, paraphrasing Dickens, we’re seeing the shape of things that may come to pass, not things that will come to pass. But maybe I’m just being optimistic. Tonight’s show will look at three specific issues. The first is the emergence of new and more virulent diseases. The danger here is seen as so great that some argue that the U.S. military should not be deployed to certain parts of the world so that they will not be exposed. Secondly, we’ll look at how the population of the world is changing. First, the numbers are exploding, mostly in those parts of the world where the infrastructure to support larger populations does not exist. Huge numbers of people are moving from the countryside to the cities, bringing a whole new set of problems. And lastly, water is looming as a scarce and valuable resource over the next few years. With larger populations comes greater demand for water for irrigation and just personal use. Some countries are beginning to dam off the rivers passing through their territories, cutting off needed supplies for the countries further downstream. If oil was a reason to go to war before, water certainly will be. It’s sobering stuff. Now to shift gears, periodically I want to use this e-mail to answer concerns, complaints and questions that our viewers have about “Nightline,” and also about the news business in general. We got an e-mail yesterday from someone who said that they were a longtime “Nightline” viewer but were extremely disappointed to see a tobacco company commercial during our broadcast Monday night on the Ashcroft hearings. This person pointed out that the Bush administration is expected to be more supportive of the tobacco industry than the Clinton White House, and therefore concluded that we had been bought, and thus showed a pro-Republican bias. And a lot of people think that our sponsors somehow influence our news decisions. Well, that’s not true. We don’t know who our sponsors are for a given night until we see the commercials play in the control room as we’re on the air. We have no contact with those companies. They certainly have no input into our editorial process. But we do worry about unfortunate juxtapositions sometimes. There are famous stories about news broadcasts reporting on plane crashes only to go to a break to run a commercial for an airline. If we are doing a specific show, say one on drug policies, we will sometimes check to make sure that one of the companies in our report has not bought a commercial that night. We don’t want the appearance of any conflict of interest, and we don’t want to run anything that would appear inappropriate. At the same time, our sponsors don’t know what our subjects are each night. They simply buy the time in “Nightline,” and we put on whatever show we choose. So we hope you’ll join us for our broadcast tonight, and we hope that the subject matter doesn’t scare anyone off. Thursday, January 18, 2001 Leroy Sievers Executive Producer Nightline Offices Washington, D.C. ---- Submit questions for tomorrow’s online chat with John Gannon, assistant director of the CIA and chairman of the National Intelligence Council, which put out the report “Global Trends 2015.” http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/community/2020/CIA_emailform.html Chat with Nightline guests and find articles, transcripts and video excerpts on our Web site at: http://abcnews.go.com/Sections/Nightline/ You can unsubscribe to the Nightline e-mail at: http://abcnews.go.com/onair/dailynews/nightlineunsubscribe.html From davida@cwo.com Thu Jan 18 19:21:55 2001 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:21:55 -0800 From: David Anderman davida@cwo.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Progress M-43 de-orbit imminent What I do not understand about the Progress M-43 de-orbit is that - according to my information - this vehicle did not come to using up all of the fuel in its tanks during its mission. I believe that a good portion of its fuel supply remains in its tanks. So, why is it being de-orbited? David Anderman From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Thu Jan 18 21:07:01 2001 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:07:01 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Getting Missilaneous... Well, both India and South Korea are doing some missile work, although the South Korean decision is for a short range missile. DDAY http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10206-2001Jan17.html India Tests Enhanced Version of Missile Pakistan, Others Call for Restraint >From News Services Thursday, January 18, 2001; Page A17 NEW DELHI, Jan. 17 -- India successfully test-fired an enhanced version of its intermediate-range Agni II ballistic missile from its eastern coast today, prompting expressions of concern from Pakistan, Japan and Britain. "The flight test results have indicated that the mission objectives were met satisfactorily," the United News of India quoted missile program director R.N. Agarwal as saying. It was the second test of the upgraded version of the original Agni, a two-stage, solid-fuel missile with a 1,250-mile range, which a defense analyst said was a key element of India's plan to build a credible minimum nuclear deterrent. India carried out nuclear tests in 1998 and declared itself a nuclear state. Defense experts say the Agni II can carry nuclear warheads and strike targets deep within China and Pakistan. Pakistan, which also staged a nuclear test in 1998, said it felt threatened by the Agni test and urged India to agree to a "strategic restraint regime." and: http://www.washtimes.com/world/default-2001118222330.htm South Korea plans enhanced missiles By Willis Witter THE WASHINGTON TIMES SEOUL The South Korean government announced yesterday it will develop and deploy missiles capable of striking deep into North Korea, bringing several major cities within its range for the first time. Separately, Foreign Minister Lee Jeong-binn told The Washington Times in an interview that he viewed reports of a secret visit to China this week by Kim Jong-il as a sign that the North Korean leader wants to emulate China's economic reforms. Mr. Lee's ministry quietly announced that it has decided after lengthy negotiations with the United States to develop rockets with a range of up to 187 miles and a payload of up to 1,100 pounds. The South previously had been bound by a 1979 agreement with Washington not to build missiles with a range greater than 112 miles for fear of sparking an arms race on the Korean Peninsula. "By adopting the new guideline, our government will be able to develop and possess missiles with enough range capabilities to meet our security needs," said a Foreign Ministry statement. In an apparent attempt to dispel concerns over a possible arms race on the Korean Peninsula, the government also pledged to join the global Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) aimed at stopping missile proliferation. South Korea is set to join the MTCR at a March meeting of 32 signers of the treaty. The Korea Herald newspaper reported that Seoul had already informed North Korea of its plans to adopt the new missile guidelines. However there was no immediate reaction from North Korea, whose reclusive leader is touring China on only his second foreign trip since taking power more than six years ago. From raoul.lannoy@pandora.be Thu Jan 18 22:02:07 2001 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:02:07 +0100 From: Raoul Lannoy raoul.lannoy@pandora.be Subject: [FPSPACE] Tuesday night BBC2 Hello, On BBC2, tuesday 23rd at 21:00 UT, "Challenger". About the tragedy of 15 years ago. BTW, look who's there: http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=1915 Raoul Lannoy From cpvick@fas.org Thu Jan 18 22:40:01 2001 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:40:01 -0500 From: Charles P. Vick cpvick@fas.org Subject: [FPSPACE] object have been Russian satellite KOSMOS 1689 >X-Sender: fas@mail.fas.org >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:32:37 -0500 >To: cpvick@fas.org >From: business@nhregister.com (by way of FAS ) >Subject: > >I am a daily newspaper reporter and Connecticut resident who saw >something in the western sky on Saturday, Jan. 13 at approximately 1700 >EST. It was a dark object with a bright trail behind it. I observed it >for about 20 minutes with binoculars and the tail appear to be burning >as if the object was entering the atmosphere. > I contacted a local airport and a weather center, but neither had any >information. Could the object have been Russian satellite KOSMOS 1689 >re-entering the atmosphere? > >Wayne E. Travers Jr. >New Haven Register > > > _______________________ Charles P. Vick Research Analyst Federation of American Scientists phone: (202) 675-1025 fax: (202) 675-1024 email: cpvick@fas.org http://www.fas.org/ From vojko.kogej@guest.arnes.si Fri Jan 19 00:04:38 2001 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:04:38 +0100 From: Vojko Kogej vojko.kogej@guest.arnes.si Subject: [FPSPACE] Titan 2 launch delayed 24 hours Titan 2, scheduled for Saturday morning, was delayed 24 hours because of a problem with a cable at its Vandenberg Air Force Base launch pad. Who knows more about reasons and about this mission? Best regards, Vojko From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Fri Jan 19 05:57:28 2001 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:57:28 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Titan 2 launch delayed 24 hours On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Vojko Kogej wrote: > Titan 2, scheduled for Saturday morning, was delayed 24 hours because of a > problem with a cable at its Vandenberg Air Force Base launch pad. Who knows > more about reasons and about this mission? You can find more information at: http://www.spaceflightnow.com/titan/g9/preview.html Basically, they had problems with ground cables somehow connected to the self-destruct system. My guess is that this is some kind of communications system. Vandenberg has a lot of moisture and that is probably the ultimate cause. The satellite is DMSP satellite Flight 16. DMSP is a low earth orbit weather satellite. They are basically similar to NOAA Tiros birds--they have a few different instruments. This satellite is replacing a satellite launched in 1995. The satellites have a 3 year design lifetime and the 1995 one is therefore past its design life (I don't know why their design life is so short, but I guess that it's because the sensors degrade fast). Eventually both the NOAA and military systems are supposed to be merged, with Europe joining in. I don't know the specifics and wonder why it has not happened yet, since the decision was made around 1993 or so. But it is still in the cards. You can find information on DMSP here: http://www.losangeles.af.mil/SMC/CI/ A detailed overview of the satellite system is here: http://www.losangeles.af.mil/SMC/CI/overview/index.html A very brief history of the program is here: http://www.losangeles.af.mil/SMC/CI/overview/dmsp02.html A detailed history of the DMSP and its spooky predecessor will be published in Quest in the next year or so (not by me). DDAY From simon@japan.co.jp Fri Jan 19 06:33:37 2001 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:33:37 +1100 From: Simon Mansfield simon@japan.co.jp Subject: [FPSPACE] Did Shenzhou-2 Go Splat ------------ DRAGON SPACE - Did Shenzhou-2 Go Splat http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01n.html Hong Kong - Jan. 19, 2000 - In the three days since Shenzhou-2 returned to Earth, China has released not a single photo of the capsule. This is in stark contrast to the first Shenzhou mission in late 1999 when China released a whole series of photos of the spacecraft after it landed in central China. From vojko.kogej@guest.arnes.si Fri Jan 19 09:18:24 2001 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:18:24 +0100 From: Vojko Kogej vojko.kogej@guest.arnes.si Subject: [FPSPACE] Titan 2 launch delayed 24 hours Thank you for very good, detailed answer! Vojko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwayne Allen Day" Cc: Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Titan 2 launch delayed 24 hours > > On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Vojko Kogej wrote: > > > Titan 2, scheduled for Saturday morning, was delayed 24 hours because of a > > problem with a cable at its Vandenberg Air Force Base launch pad. Who knows > > more about reasons and about this mission? > > You can find more information at: > > http://www.spaceflightnow.com/titan/g9/preview.html > > Basically, they had problems with ground cables somehow connected to the > self-destruct system. My guess is that this is some kind of > communications system. Vandenberg has a lot of moisture and that is > probably the ultimate cause. > > The satellite is DMSP satellite Flight 16. DMSP is a low earth orbit > weather satellite. They are basically similar to NOAA Tiros birds--they > have a few different instruments. This satellite is replacing a satellite > launched in 1995. The satellites have a 3 year design lifetime and the > 1995 one is therefore past its design life (I don't know why their design > life is so short, but I guess that it's because the sensors degrade fast). > > Eventually both the NOAA and military systems are supposed to be merged, > with Europe joining in. I don't know the specifics and wonder why it has > not happened yet, since the decision was made around 1993 or so. But it > is still in the cards. > > You can find information on DMSP here: > > http://www.losangeles.af.mil/SMC/CI/ > > > A detailed overview of the satellite system is here: > > http://www.losangeles.af.mil/SMC/CI/overview/index.html > > > A very brief history of the program is here: > > http://www.losangeles.af.mil/SMC/CI/overview/dmsp02.html > > > A detailed history of the DMSP and its spooky predecessor will be > published in Quest in the next year or so (not by me). > > > > DDAY > > _______________________________________________ > FPSPACE mailing list > FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace > From simon@japan.co.jp Fri Jan 19 12:45:08 2001 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:45:08 +1100 From: Simon Mansfield simon@japan.co.jp Subject: [FPSPACE] SpaceDaily FP Edition - Jan 19, 2001 ------------------------------------ SPACEDAILY HEADLINES - Jan 19, 2001 Special FPspace Edition ----------- QUICK SPACE - Did Shenzhou-2 Go Splat http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01n.html - Shenzhou-2 Returns While Orbital Experiments Continue http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-01m.html - China Warns US To Keep Taiwan Out Of Any Missile Defence Plans http://www.spacedaily.com/news/bmdo-01c.html - India Stands Up To China With Test http://www.spacedaily.com/news/india-01a.html - ESA Continues Work On Galileo Pending EU's Deferred Decision http://www.spacedaily.com/news/gps-euro-01a.html -------------- This is a special edition of SpaceDaily Express that is edited for FPspace. To receive our full edition please subscribe directly by sending email to free-subscribe@spacer.com and place your email address in the body text of the email. From JamesOberg@aol.com Fri Jan 19 14:57:16 2001 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:57:16 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] New Plan: Progress to Mir on January 24 Rosaviakosmos officials said Friday in Moscow that January 24 is the new launch date for Progress M1-5 to Mir. That should be at about 04:32 GMT, I estimate. Jim Oberg www.jamesoberg.com PS -- what's this story about the UV coating on the US Lab window being faulty? From lklaes@bbn.com Fri Jan 19 15:07:22 2001 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:07:22 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Titan 2 launch delayed 24 hours At 01:04 AM 01/19/2001 +0100, Vojko Kogej wrote: >Titan 2, scheduled for Saturday morning, was delayed 24 hours because of a >problem with a cable at its Vandenberg Air Force Base launch pad. Who knows >more about reasons and about this mission? > >Best regards, >Vojko > > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:55:43 -0500 From: Brian Webb <102670.1206@compuserve.com> Subject: [Launch-Alert] Launch On Schedule To: launch-alert Sender: owner-launch-alert@qth.net Reply-To: Brian Webb <102670.1206@compuserve.com> ASTRONOMY/SPACE ALERT FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA Brian Webb, KD6NRP Ventura County, California E-mail: 102670.1206@compuserve.com Web Page: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rawhide_home_page http://home.earthlink.net/~kd6nrp 2001 January 18 (Thursday) 20:55 PST ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Titan II Launch On Schedule This week's Titan II/DMSP launch from Vandenberg AFB is still on scheduled for 5:58 a.m. PST on Saturday, the start of a 10-minute launch window. As mentioned previously, the vehicle will be launched during deep morning twilight and may provide an interesting display as sunlight is refelected off of the engine exhaust plume. Some rough calculations by Bill Wheaton and Tim Conrow indicate that the Titan II will hit sunlight at an altitude of about 27 kilometers. If this is correct, the second half of the first stage burn and the entire second stage burn will occur in sunlight and produce the Twilight Effect. For those interested in photographing this phenomenon, I recommend using a 35mm camera, tripod, cable release, Fuji Superia 800 color print film, and a 50 or 135mm lens. Set the lens iris at f/2.8, but be careful not to open it any wider. If the exhaust plume is illuminated by sunlight, try taking exposure readings (be sure your camera's light meter is set at ASA 800). Shoot at the indicated exposure followed by two and four times the indicated exposure. For the latest information on this launch, consult the Spaceflight Now web site at http://www.spaceflightnow.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Launch Data Launch Date/Time: 2001 JAN 20 05:58 PST (13:58 UTC) Launch Window: 05:58-06:08 PST (13:58-14:08 UTC) Launch Site: SLC-4W, Vandenberg AFB Launch Site Latitude: 34 deg. 37 min. (34.617) north Launch Site Longitude: 120 deg. 38 min. (120.633) west Launch Azimuth: 192.7000 deg. Launch Events Time Event (T+ min:sec) ----------------------- -------------- Liftoff 00:00.0 Stage 1 Shutdown 02:30.2 Stage 2 Ignition 02:30.5 Payload Faring Jettison 03:35.0 Stage 2 Shutdown 05:26.6 Spacecraft Separation 06:30.0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Vandenberg Launch Nets Countdown status will be passed over two amateur radio Vandenberg Launch Nets beginning at 05:30 PST on launch day. The primary net will be on the WB6OOB repeater near Santa Barbara. This wide coverage repeater simultaneously operates on 147.000 and 224.900 MHz. A secondary Vandenberg Launch net will be conducted on the Condor linked repeater system. The system consists of the following repeaters: Frequency PL (MHz) Offset (Hz) Location 223.8400 - 141.3 Vacaville, CA 224.6000 - 156.7 San Jose, CA 224.9000 - 156.7 Fresno, CA 224.9200 - 156.7 San Luis Obispo, CA 224.6400 - 156.7 Lake Isabella, CA 224.8200 - 141.3 Lompoc, CA 224.0000 - 156.7 Santa Barbara, CA 224.7200 - 156.7 Gorman, CA 223.8400 - 156.7 Victorville, CA 224.8800 - 156.7 Kingman, AZ 223.9400 - 156.7 Ventura County, CA 224.8200 - 156.7 Orange County, CA 224.1800 - 156.7 Palm Springs, CA 223.9400 - 141.3 San Diego, CA ______________________________________________________ To subscribe to launch-alert , send the following e-mail: To: majordomo@qth.net Message Text: subscribe launch-alert To unsubscribe to launch-alert , send the following e-mail: To: majordomo@qth.net Message Text: unsubscribe launch-alert From svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Fri Jan 19 15:38:48 2001 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:38:48 +0100 From: Sven Grahn svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Subject: [FPSPACE] Swedish Odin satellite arrives at Svobodny for launch Dear Friends, The Swedish Odin satellite arrived yesterday at the Svobodny launch site after a long flight from Stockholm via Moscow. The launch is scheduled aboard a Start-1 rocket on 20 February 2001 in a 10-minute launch window opening at 0848 UT. The planned orbit is sun-synchronous at roughly 605 km and i = 97.83 degrees. Sven Grahn ---------------------------------------------------- Mr Sven Grahn | Kettering Group Rattviksvagen 44, S-192 71 Sollentuna, Sweden Tel: +46 8 7541904, svengrahn@wineasy.se http://www.users.wineasy.se/svengrahn/ ---------------------------------------------------- From Palladium@aol.com Fri Jan 19 15:53:18 2001 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:53:18 EST From: Palladium@aol.com Palladium@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Challenge to Apollo / Dueling RED MOONs --part1_bc.f3237e6.2799bcee_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear list: My copy of Asif's book "Challenge to Apollo" just arrived, via FedEx from the government printing office. It is a BEAST! A beautiful piece of work all around. I can tell my next few nights (and my plane trip to Orlando today) will be well-occupied. Congratulations to Asif and all involved. Also (ahem, to engage in flagrant self-promotion), I note with some pride that my novel RED MOON has climbed into the top 10,000 in Amazon.com's sales rankings (yesterday it "spiked" to no. 5,441-- pretty good for a small house and first-time author). I also note that Mike Cassutt's novel, also called RED MOON, is now out. What a bizarre coincidence of timing! Mike's novel is being pitched as a straight historical/mystery/thriller, without the near future/sci fi elements of mine, so hopefully we shouldn't cancel each other out. (hint hint-- So if you haven't already, BUY BOTH!) DS Michaels ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Author of RED MOON (FireWord Press, 2000). Buy it yet? GO to Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1930782128 --part1_bc.f3237e6.2799bcee_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear list:

My copy of Asif's book "Challenge to Apollo" just arrived, via FedEx from the
government printing office. It is a BEAST! A beautiful piece of work all
around.  I can tell my next few nights (and my plane trip to Orlando today)
will be well-occupied.  Congratulations to Asif and all involved.

Also (ahem, to engage in flagrant self-promotion), I note with some pride
that my novel RED MOON has climbed into the top 10,000 in Amazon.com's sales
rankings (yesterday it "spiked" to no. 5,441-- pretty good for a small house
and first-time author). I also note that Mike Cassutt's novel, also called
RED MOON, is now out. What a bizarre coincidence of timing! Mike's novel is
being pitched as a straight historical/mystery/thriller, without the near
future/sci fi elements of mine, so hopefully we shouldn't cancel each other
out.  

(hint hint-- So if you haven't already, BUY BOTH!)

DS Michaels

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Author of RED MOON (FireWord Press, 2000). Buy it yet?
GO to Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1930782128 --part1_bc.f3237e6.2799bcee_boundary-- From JamesOberg@aol.com Fri Jan 19 16:22:15 2001 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:22:15 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] BBC Seeks Russ Balloon Program History Info BBC Seeks Russ Balloon Program History Info From davida@cwo.com Fri Jan 19 17:41:29 2001 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:41:29 -0800 From: David Anderman davida@cwo.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Did Shenzhou-2 Go Splat *If* the module went splat, perhaps that would explain the lack of information about possible animal passengers. :( David Anderman From psclark@dircon.co.uk Fri Jan 19 18:58:51 2001 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:58:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Phillip Clark psclark@dircon.co.uk Subject: [FPSPACE] Did Shenzhou-2 Go Splat On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, David Anderman wrote: > *If* the module went splat, perhaps that would explain the lack of > information about possible animal passengers. Yesterday (Thursday) the BBC's CEEFAX service ran a story on its page 154, saying that a monkey, a dog and a rabbit, as well as a collection of snails, had been flown aboard Shen Zhou 2, and these had been safely recovered. The BBC were said that they were repeating a REUTER's report, based upon Chinese announcements. Maybe the lack of landing pictures is simply because the Chinese considered that the SZ 1 recovery was the big thing to publicise and they do not feel the necessity to repeat the procedure. Not every country is media-led ! Phillip Clark --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip S Clark 22 Winterbourne Close Molniya Space Consultancy Hastings Compiler/Publisher, Worldwide Satellite Launches E Sussex TN34 1XG U.K. Specialist in "space archeology" - the older and more obscure the more interesting it is ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Fri Jan 19 19:21:05 2001 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:21:05 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] NASA Administrator from www.nasawatch.com: * 19 January 2001: Update: There was a meeting this morning (which started at 10 AM EST) of all 9th floor direct reports at NASA HQ. Word has it that an offer has been made to Goldin (which he has apparently accepted) to stay on for a short while, and that Bush Transition Team personnel will be moved to NASA to help steer the agency until a final selection for NASA Administrator is made. It is more or less understood that Goldin would not be considered for reappointment. * 18 January 2001: Dan Goldin: Will He Stay or Will He Go? Editor's note: With less than two days until the Presidential Inauguration, Clinton Administration political appointees across Washington DC are busy cleaning out their desks and saying their goodbyes - all, apparently, with the exception of Dan Goldin. One would assume that if Goldin was not going to be Administrator after George W. Bush is sworn in, that some sort of announcement naming an acting Administrator would have already been made - or would be made today or tomorrow. Absent any indication that such an announcement is forthcoming, one has to assume that Goldin will still be NASA Administrator (at least for an interim period) after Mr. Bush is sworn in. However, if Mr. Goldin knows that he is not going to remain as Administrator - interim or otherwise - it behooves him for the sake of the agency to make preparations for a transition - and to make those preparations public. ***************************** DDAY From tcools@village.uunet.be Fri Jan 19 21:05:39 2001 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:05:39 +0100 From: Tristan Cools tcools@village.uunet.be Subject: [FPSPACE] History of Mir book Hello, I just received my copy of The History of Mir 1986-2000. It is a book published by the BIS(The British Interplanetary Society) and it is edited by Rex Hall. I want to thank Rex Hall, Bart Hendrickx, Bert Vis, Phillip S. Clark, Andrew Salmon, Dave Woods and Dave Shayler(many of them are FPSPACE-ers) for having written a magnificent book with history, facts, figures and tables about the Mir Space Station. With the end comming nearer for Mir maybe this will be the definate reference book about this wonderfull space station. Greetings, Tristan Cools tcools@village.uunet.be Belgian Working Group Satellites(BWGS) Damse Vaart: 3.2478E/51.2277N - OBS place 1 Ryckevelde: 3.2856E/51.2045N - OBS place 2 Brugge: 3.2166E/51.2104N - OBS place 3(home) HTTP://gallery.uunet.be/tcools/satimage/index.htm From vojko.kogej@guest.arnes.si Fri Jan 19 23:14:34 2001 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:14:34 +0100 From: Vojko Kogej vojko.kogej@guest.arnes.si Subject: [FPSPACE] Titan 2 launch delayed 24 hours CORRECTION: Titan 2, scheduled for FRIDAY morning, was delayed 24 hours because of a problem with a cable at its Vandenberg Air Force Base launch pad. This is one of several delays. 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This is the title of a new, 2001 book by Brian Harvey, just published by Praxis Publishing and Springer press. In the 1950s and 1960s, Soviet rockets conquered the cosmos. The Russians put the first satellite into orbit, the first man and woman into space and sent the first probes to the Moon. They sent spaceships to Mars and Venus. Not for nothing were these called the golden years of Soviet rocketry. By the early 21st century, the Soviet dream of conquering space had become a nightmare. Budgets ran out, space industries contracted, space facilities rotted, the tracking ships were scrapped. Ambitious programmes like the space shuttle Buran were canceled. The great space station Mir was contracted out briefly to private investors and even the personal effects of cosmonauts were auctioned off in a desperate attempt to keep the programme alive. RUSSIA IN SPACE - THE FAILED FRONTIER? tells the story of the traumatic events that engulfed the once-glorious Soviet space programme after 1991. It is a story of desperation and decline - but also of heroic efforts to save the space station Mir and the construction, along with their old rivals, the Americans, of the new International Space Station. The late 1990s saw the introduction of powerful new rockets, the building of new cosmodromes, the recruitment of new teams of cosmonauts and a continued military presence in space with the testing of advanced spycraft. By 2000, Russia's launch rate was rising once again. Perhaps Russia will become a great spacefaring nation once again. This book tells the story of the Russian space programme after the collapse of communism. It recounts the later Mir missions, the tortuous struggle to get the space station modules airborne and how collapsing budgets impacted on manned and other missions. The book provides a full account and categorization of the unmanned programmes of the period, from Mars 96 to humble piggyback satellites, and examines the level of Russia's on-going military space capabilities. The changing fortunes of the cosmodromes are studied, as are those of the design bureaux, the ground facilities and the tracking systems. Later chapters look at the export of engines to the United States, collaboration with the US and Europe and how a command communist system adapted to free enterprise. 330 pages, incl.index, notes & references and table of all launches in the period after 1st January 1992. Illustrated. with tables and charts. Chapter headings 1 The Soviet space programme, 1921-91 2 The manned frontier - Mir, 1992-2000 3 The international frontier - Russia's part in the International Space Station 4 The military frontier - unmanned military programmes 1992-2000 5 The scientific frontier - unmanned civilian programmes, 1992-2000 6 The ground frontier - ground facilities and cosmodromes 7 The rocket frontier - old rockets and new 8 The rocket engine frontier 9 The design frontier - what happened to the design bureaux? 10 The commercial frontier - commercialization of the space programme 11 The failed frontier? Analysis and comment RUSSIA IN SPACE - THE FAILED FRONTIER? is available from: www.springer.co.uk www.praxis-publishing.co.uk orders@svl.co.uk The price is UK19 + UK2 for P&P If ordering through bookshops, the ISBN number is 1-85233-203-4 Tel 44.1483.418 822 Fax 44.1483.415151 By post: Springer Verlag Ltd Sweetapple House catteshall Road Godalming Surrey GU7 8DJ England From lklaes@bbn.com Sat Jan 20 04:21:05 2001 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:21:05 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] The tiny stowaways on the ISS Reply-To: "Becky Bray" From: "Explorers" Sender: "Explorers" Subject: Explorers: Tiny Stowaways on Station Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 18:25:29 -0600 A special LIFTOFF Explorers delivery Before the first human crew began living on the International Space Station, there were already creatures living there. No, not alien visitors from a distant solar system, but tiny microbes from earth. Keeping the Station healthy for humans means controlling the bacteria and fungi that share our lives. Come read more at - Liftoff to Space Exploration http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/?list11479-60 write us http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/WriteUs.asp From cwdonald@ix.netcom.com Sat Jan 20 21:03:24 2001 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 13:03:24 -0800 From: Chuck Donaldson cwdonald@ix.netcom.com Subject: [FPSPACE] New book on Russian space programme 1992-2000 Brian, The book will be publishing in March, 2001 for the US according to www.amazon.com It is available as a "preorder" item. The price, US, is $29.95 I've already ordered my. I checked your other sites but couldn't fine the book listed and didn't see a search engine for the title or author. Never the less, I have ordered mine from Amazon. Sounds very interesting. cwdonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Harvey" To: Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 5:54 PM Subject: [FPSPACE] New book on Russian space programme 1992-2000 > New book on the Russian space programme > > > RUSSIA IN SPACE - THE FAILED FRONTIER? > > This is the title of a new, 2001 book by Brian Harvey, just published by > Praxis Publishing and Springer press. > > In the 1950s and 1960s, Soviet rockets conquered the cosmos. The Russians > put the first satellite into orbit, the first man and woman into space and > sent the first probes to the Moon. They sent spaceships to Mars and Venus. > Not for nothing were these called the golden years of Soviet rocketry. > > By the early 21st century, the Soviet dream of conquering space had become a > nightmare. Budgets ran out, space industries contracted, space facilities > rotted, the tracking ships were scrapped. Ambitious programmes like the > space shuttle Buran were canceled. The great space station Mir was > contracted out briefly to private investors and even the personal effects of > cosmonauts were auctioned off in a desperate attempt to keep the programme > alive. > > RUSSIA IN SPACE - THE FAILED FRONTIER? tells the story of the traumatic > events that engulfed the once-glorious Soviet space programme after 1991. > It is a story of desperation and decline - but also of heroic efforts to > save the space station Mir and the construction, along with their old > rivals, the Americans, of the new International Space Station. The late > 1990s saw the introduction of powerful new rockets, the building of new > cosmodromes, the recruitment of new teams of cosmonauts and a continued > military presence in space with the testing of advanced spycraft. By 2000, > Russia's launch rate was rising once again. Perhaps Russia will become a > great spacefaring nation once again. > > This book tells the story of the Russian space programme after the collapse > of communism. It recounts the later Mir missions, the tortuous struggle to > get the space station modules airborne and how collapsing budgets impacted > on manned and other missions. The book provides a full account and > categorization of the unmanned programmes of the period, from Mars 96 to > humble piggyback satellites, and examines the level of Russia's on-going > military space capabilities. The changing fortunes of the cosmodromes are > studied, as are those of the design bureaux, the ground facilities and the > tracking systems. Later chapters look at the export of engines to the > United States, collaboration with the US and Europe and how a command > communist system adapted to free enterprise. > > 330 pages, incl.index, notes & references and table of all launches in the > period after 1st January 1992. Illustrated. with tables and charts. > > > Chapter headings > 1 The Soviet space programme, 1921-91 > 2 The manned frontier - Mir, 1992-2000 > 3 The international frontier - Russia's part in the International Space > Station > 4 The military frontier - unmanned military programmes 1992-2000 > 5 The scientific frontier - unmanned civilian programmes, 1992-2000 > 6 The ground frontier - ground facilities and cosmodromes > 7 The rocket frontier - old rockets and new > 8 The rocket engine frontier > 9 The design frontier - what happened to the design bureaux? > 10 The commercial frontier - commercialization of the space programme > 11 The failed frontier? Analysis and comment > > RUSSIA IN SPACE - THE FAILED FRONTIER? is available from: > > www.springer.co.uk > > www.praxis-publishing.co.uk > > orders@svl.co.uk > > The price is UK19 + UK2 for P&P > If ordering through bookshops, the ISBN number is 1-85233-203-4 > > Tel 44.1483.418 822 > Fax 44.1483.415151 > > By post: Springer Verlag Ltd > Sweetapple House > catteshall Road > Godalming > Surrey GU7 8DJ > England > > > > > _______________________________________________ > FPSPACE mailing list > FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace From dm.harland@cableol.co.uk Sun Jan 21 06:19:35 2001 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 06:19:35 +0000 From: David M Harland dm.harland@cableol.co.uk Subject: [FPSPACE] Trumpet blowing Well FPSpacers, Brian Harvey just 'pushed' his Springer-Praxis book, so here's my latest volume in their series. dmh ------------------ Jupiter Odyssey: The Story Of NASA's Galileo Mission David M Harland ISBN 1-85233-301-4 £19.50 sterling Foreword by Bill O’Neil Acknowledgements Author’s Preface 1. Early Days: The discovery. The next few centuries. 2. Reconnaissance: Pioneering deep space. Voyaging far. 3. Galileo’s Ordeal: Two into one. Birth pains. Challenger. Which way?. Into space 4. An Exploring Machine: A heavyweight. Spin-bearing assembly. Computers. Communications. Data storage. Propulsion. Power. Orbiter instruments. The atmospheric probe. Probe instruments. 5. The Long Haul: 18 October 1989. Against the wind. Cloud enshrouded Venus. Hello Earth. Fouled antenna. 951 Gaspra. Ulysses. Earth again. Final slingshot. Revised plans. 243 Ida. Gravity waves. Shoemaker Levy 9. Probing the Sun. Stormy weather. The VEEGA bonus. 6. Target In Sight: Probe away!. The entry site. Disaster?. Into Jovian space. Arrival day. Europa. Amazing Io. Torus. Perijove. Probe mission. Orbital insertion. Jupiter occultation. Bingo! 7. Atmospheric Probe: The data. Within the rings. The entry phase. Bulk composition. Atmospheric circulation. Cloud structure. Distant lightning. Absent organics. Mission accomplished. 8. The Capture Orbit: The long climb. The planning process. 9. Tectonic Ganymede: Voyager’s Ganymede. Galileo’s first look. Uruk Sulcus. Galileo Regio. The bigger picture. Return to Ganymede. North pole. Stereoscopic models. Palimpsests. Nippur Sulcus. Differentiated interior. Nicholson Regio. Craters. Marius Regio. Ice caldera. Cryogenic geology. 10. Battered Callisto: Communications. Voyager’s Callisto. Galileo’s first look. Valhalla. Asgard. Cratering. Undifferentiated interior. Return to Callisto. Sub-Jovian point. Asgard radial. Exosphere. Revelations. Perijove reduction. Odd one out. 11. Europan Enigma: Voyager’s Europa. Galileo’s first look. Europa close-up. Icebergs! The age of the ice? Tyre. Mottling and chaos. Hydrogen peroxide. Extended mission. Europan campaign. Spreading in close-up. Conamara’s matrix. Conjunction. Rhomboids. Consolidation. A change of hands. Unlucky sixteen. Astypalaea. Cycloids. Salts. Agenor. Spurious signals. Forms of ice. Acid. Problems, problems. Sub-Jovian perspective. An ocean - official. Hydrothermal vents. Missions to Europa. A terrestrial analog. Callisto too? Ebb and flow. 12. Jupiter From Orbit: Remote sensing. First look at the Great Red Spot. Io’s pollution Hazes. Auroral activity. Lightning. Hot spots. Faults and fixes. Sad loss. Conjunction. White ovals. Dawn-side plasma sheet. The Great Red Spot’s spiral structure. Synoptic coverage. Turbulence. Mini-tour. Limb-sounding. Auroral focus. Mesoscale. Extended mission. Merger. Sub-storms. The dark spot. Auroral electro-jets. Consolidation. Dusk-side plasma sheet. Winding down. 13. Moonlets And Rings: New moons. The ring system. ‘Outer’ rings. 14. Fiery Io: Voyager’s Io. Io’s volatiles. Sulphur chemistry. Physiography. Galileo’s fly-by. Loki and Pele. Ra Patera. Volcano monitoring. Occultation. Back to the routine. Pillan Patera Erupts! Mysteries. Extended mission. A global perspective. Torus interactions. Perijove reduction. The plumes. The flows. Calculated risk. Io, at last!. Low pass. Fast camera. Loki. Pele. Pillan Patera. Zamama. Prometheus. Amirani-Maui. Mountains. Apojove manoeuvre. Polar passage. Emakong. Tvashtar. Mushy mantle? Zal. Millennium mission. 15. Passing The Torch: A bonus. Saturn. Cassini. Upon reflection. Tables IAU Nomenclature Glossary Chapter Notes Further Reading Index From dave.woods@lmco.com Sun Jan 21 19:44:28 2001 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 14:44:28 -0500 From: Woods, Dave dave.woods@lmco.com Subject: [FPSPACE] FW: 2 German TV channels to live broadcast Mir deorbitting > -----Original Message----- > From: Constantine Domashnev > [SMTP:Constantine_Domashnev@pyrrhus.cimds.ri.cmu.edu > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 2:38 PM > To: Dave.Woods@lmco.com > Subject: 2 German TV channels to live broadcast Mir deorbitting > > Hi, Dave, > > could you please forward this to FPSpace. > > Thank you in advance, > > -- > Kostya > > -------------- > as it follows from http://www.utro.ru/articles/culture/: > > The German TV channel "Space Night" is planning to live broadcast Mir > sinking nightly from 2am to 3 am from March to June. > > ------------ > From bmews@hotmail.com Mon Jan 22 10:01:27 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:01:27 -0000 From: Max White bmews@hotmail.com Subject: [FPSPACE] New book on Russian space programme 1992-2000 Commercial plug use again of the listserver. BTW two of the tracking ships are in the Morskoy Canal in St Petersburg, not scrapped. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From bmews@hotmail.com Mon Jan 22 10:06:43 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:06:43 -0000 From: Max White bmews@hotmail.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Book pushing If you are going to plug, at least pass out freebie copies to those on the listerver, in order to judge how good the plugs are...;] _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From JamesOberg@aol.com Mon Jan 22 12:15:00 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 07:15:00 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Mir Gyrodynes Fail To Restart Space Station Mir's Gyroscopes Fail AP-NY-01-22-01 0511EST MOSCOW (AP) - Ground controllers have been unable to restart the gyroscopes that align the Mir space station, but space officials insisted Monday that the problem wouldn't affect an upcoming docking with a cargo ship intended to push the orbiter down for good. The gyroscopes ground to a halt during a sudden power loss last week that disabled the 15-year-old Mir's central computer and its orientation system, prompting officials to put off the launch of the Progress M1 cargo ship for fears the Mir would be too unstable to dock with. Mission Control quickly fixed the computer problem, but has failed to switch on the gyroscopes, the preferred, fuel-free way of aligning the station. Instead, Mission Control spokesman Valery Lyndin said, Mission Control is keeping the station stable using several dozen small thrusters. ``Ground controllers repeatedly tried to switch on the gyroscopes Saturday, but failed to get them working,'' Lyndin said. The alternate alignment system won't affect the scheduled launch of the Progress M1, now set for Wednesday, or the Saturday docking, Lyndin said. The Progress is to fire its rockets to push the troubled Mir toward the earth in March, jettisoning the station in the Pacific Ocean. After years of waffling, the Russian government finally decided last year to discard the Mir and concentrate resources on the new NASA-led International Space Station, which the United States has urged for years. From psclark@dircon.co.uk Mon Jan 22 12:21:49 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:21:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Phillip Clark psclark@dircon.co.uk Subject: [FPSPACE] Book pushing On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Max White wrote: > If you are going to plug, at least pass out freebie copies to those on the > listerver, in order to judge how good the plugs are...;] My own view is that so long as the book being plugged is on-topic for the mailing list then there is no problem in plugging it with a single message. It tells people that the book is out there to go and buy ! You should also remember that unless you're a Jackie Collins* or Jeffrey Archer, pumping out books every few months, authors do not make that much money for the work which they put into the books, and therefore cannot afford to send out free or even reduced-price copies to all that many people. I was lucky with my 1988 book because I was paid a fixed fee for writing it rather than royalties. If you get paid by royalties then you have to first deduct any advance payment which you get and then wait a year or two before the first royalty cheque arrives. Phillip Clark * How many people remember Rex Hall introducing Dave Shayler at a BIS meeting a few years ago as "the Jackie Collins of spaceflight" ..... ? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip S Clark 22 Winterbourne Close Molniya Space Consultancy Hastings Compiler/Publisher, Worldwide Satellite Launches E Sussex TN34 1XG U.K. Specialist in "space archeology" - the older and more obscure the more interesting it is ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kgottschalk@uwc.ac.za Mon Jan 22 13:55:34 2001 Date: 22 Jan 2001 15:55:34 +0200 From: Keith Gottschalk kgottschalk@uwc.ac.za Subject: [FPSPACE] Bush policy on NASA IF one believes that paragon of peer-reviewed scholarship, the internet & emailed jokes, the new U.S. President has uttered at least one statement implying his views on NASA "For NASA, space is still a high priority." ....Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 9/5/93 From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Mon Jan 22 14:33:47 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:33:47 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Bush policy on NASA On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Keith Gottschalk wrote: > IF one believes that paragon of peer-reviewed scholarship, the > internet & emailed jokes, the new U.S. President has uttered at least > one statement implying his views on NASA > > "For NASA, space is still a high priority." ....Governor George W. Bush, > Jr., 9/5/93 A couple of minor notes: -his name is not "Jr." -while this appears to be humorous, if it is true, it could all depend on the context. What if this followed a question like "What do you think NASA's role should be? Should it emphasize aeronautics or foster general R&D?" But you can be sure that space is not even on the radar screen of the new administration. They've got much bigger interests to pursue. That's the case for EVERY president. D From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Mon Jan 22 14:35:57 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:35:57 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Mir Gyrodynes Fail To Restart On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 JamesOberg@aol.com wrote: > The gyroscopes ground to a halt during a sudden power loss last week that > disabled the 15-year-old Mir's central computer and its orientation system, > prompting officials to put off the launch of the Progress M1 cargo ship for > fears the Mir would be too unstable to dock with. Quick question: There was an earlier failure a few weeks ago. In that case, the computer failure came first due to a software glitch. This caused the solar panels to drift out of alignment. This statement above implies that the second failure was different--that a power failure caused a computer failure. Is this the case, or were the two failures the same and this report is wrong? DDAY From steve@spaceflightnow.com Mon Jan 22 14:30:20 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:30:20 -0500 From: Steven Young steve@spaceflightnow.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Mir update Spaceflight Now has an update on the Mir situation: http://spaceflightnow.com/mir/010122update/index.html From clj@emc.com Mon Jan 22 14:54:49 2001 Date: 22 Jan 2001 09:54:49 -0500 From: Chris Jones clj@emc.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Bush policy on NASA Dwayne Allen Day writes: On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Keith Gottschalk wrote: > "For NASA, space is still a high priority." ....Governor George W. Bush, > Jr., 9/5/93 -his name is not "Jr." Well, in his latest column (the one in which he declared the Bush administration a failure) Dave Barry referred to Bush pere & fils as George Bush III Sr. and George Bush III Jr. (of course, he also made reference to the author Ralph "Waldo" Emerson). In an effort to be at least slightly on topic, the only references to space policy I can recall coming out of the incoming administration have been Rumsfeld's declaration that space assets are of more importance to the US than any other country, and Bush's advocacy of a National Missile Defense program. I suppose there was probably the usual vague support of NASA as well, but I can't recall it. Given that Texas is his home state and Florida's governor is his brother, I wouldn't think that NASA is in for major bloodletting, especially since it can hardly be said to have been living high off the hog for the last eight years. From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Mon Jan 22 15:12:08 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:12:08 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] New SecDef on US Military/Intel Space http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/nation/columns/intelligencia/A18982-2001Jan19.html Rumsfeld Armed With Know-How to Take on Defense By Vernon Loeb Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, January 22, 2001 Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld starts at the Pentagon this week focused squarely on intelligence, promising to sort through a myriad of structural problems that have left the Intelligence Community under the nominal authority of the director of central intelligence (DCI) but largely funded by the Department of Defense. The system is broken and no one seems more aware of that than President-elect Bush's new defense chief. Running down a list of five "key objectives" last week before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Rumsfeld put modernizing the military's command, control, communications, intelligence and space capabilities third, behind only deterrence against weapons of mass destruction and readiness of U.S. forces. "I'm committed to strengthening our intelligence, to serve both our short-term and our long-term national security needs," Rumsfeld said during his day-long confirmation hearing. "I will personally make establishing a strong spirit of cooperation between the Department of Defense and the rest of the intelligence community, under the leadership of the DCI, one of my top priorities." Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) asked at one point, "What keeps you up at night?" Rumsfeld didn't skip a beat: "The importance of considerably improving our intelligence capabilities so that we know more about what people think and how they behave and how their behavior can be altered and what the capabilities are in this world." And when Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) asked what one "big idea" he would bring to the Pentagon, Rumsfeld returned to intelligence, saying he wanted our defense establishment to be much smarter about what deters hostile nations from aggressive behavior in the post-Cold War world. "We don't want to win wars; we want to prevent them," Rumsfeld said. "We want to be so powerful and forward-looking that it is clear to others that they ought not to be damaging their neighbors when it affects our interests, and they ought not to be doing things that are imposing threats and dangers to us." Rumsfeld is under no illusions about the difficulties involved in intelligence reform. Here is a man who, at one point during his confirmation hearing, casually mentioned reading "Eye in the Sky," a book on the Corona spy satellite program, as he responded to a question about National Missile Defense. Corona, Rumsfeld noted, "failed 11, 12 or 13 times during the Eisenhower administration and the Kennedy administration. And they stuck with it, and it worked, and they ended up saving billions of dollars." At another point, Rumsfeld talked about chairing a congressional commission on the ballistic missile threat precisely because a 1995 National Intelligence Estimate wasn't properly assessing the problem. "My impression is that more recent NIEs have begun to take account of some of the suggestions [the commission] made," he said. Similarly, Rumsfeld said that "vastly better intelligence" is required to counter the threat posed by terrorists. Indeed, Rumsfeld said a large part of the problem stems from the fact that the intelligence community "is really not a community, as you know; it is a set of organizations the CIA and the NSA and the NRO and the DIA and Air Force, Army and Navy intelligence, the State Department, the FBI there's all kinds of pieces to it." "There are some very complicated issues in rearranging our intelligence gathering to fit the new century, to fit the new circumstance with proliferation," Rumsfeld said. "And I think that bureaucracies don't like to change; they're terribly resistant to change, and the only way they're going to change is if the very senior people meet regularly, understand where each is going, and recognize the fact that each has responsibilities that can't be performed unless the two of them work together." Tenet Retained Now, finally, we know the man with whom Rumsfeld will be crafting this close relationship George J. Tenet. Last week, after weeks and weeks of speculation, President-elect Bush announced that he would keep Tenet on for an indefinite period. Tenet's detractors in the intelligence world have faulted him for not being a more activist DCI and resolving some of the big-ticket management issues Rumsfeld is now bringing to the fore. But intelligence community reform never seemed to be much of a priority in the Clinton administration, following short and unhappy CIA stints by R. James Woolsey and John M. Deutch. And Tenet probably doesn't bear responsibility for that lack of interest. While the sprawling, 13-member Intelligence Community may be something of a mess, the essential hub directly run by Tenet the Central Intelligence Agency seems productive and under control. Beyond long-standing concerns about the capability of its clandestine spy service, policymakers do not seem unhappy with the agency's output. Assessing Tenet's skills as a manager and as a spymaster is hard, given the secrecy of the CIA and the reflexive opinions voiced by many who seek to defend or attack the institution. Outside observers have to be honest about that. Whatever else can be said about Tenet's stewardship at Langley, the CIA would probably be in a lot worse shape today if he had not stepped in forcefully three years ago and made the case on Capitol Hill that the agency simply could not be cut any further and needed a substantial infusion of resources to restore its espionage capabilities overseas and maintain its analytic capacity at home. And Tenet will never be faulted for trying to get ahead at the agency's expense. He has never expressed anything but deep affection and abiding respect for the institution, which cannot be said for his predecessor. Morale has rebounded on his watch. Coming from a staff background on Capitol Hill, Tenet will never be spy enough for some hard-core operations types. Then there's Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.), Tenet's chief critic in Congress. The senator seems genuinely offended by Tenet's handling of the CIA's internal investigation into Deutch's egregious home computer security violations. And he may well be right when he argues that Tenet's oversight of the probe wasn't his finest hour. But the new president does not seem to see it as any kind of defining failure, in spite of Shelby's counsel that he replace Tenet and pick his own man. While Tenet may forever be a former Senate staffer in Shelby's eyes, he now has the distinction of being the first DCI since Richard M. Helms to be asked to stay on during a change of parties in the White House. And if Tenet lasts seven months into Bush II, he will be the longest serving DCI since William Casey. Bush's vote of confidence also relieves Tenet of what for him has long been his major problem with a key CIA constituency, the political right. He doesn't work for Clinton anymore. He could well stick around longer than most people think and be of far more use to the new administration that his detractors on the right might allow. Perhaps they'll see him differently now, sans Clinton. Required Reading I Before their first get-together, Rumsfeld and Tenet will undoubtedly have read and digested a blistering new report of the Independent Commission on the National Imagery and Mapping Agency (NIMA), which said the country's newest intelligence bureaucracy is far from realizing its promise for fusing satellite imagery and military mapping in the digital age. Among its findings: The Intelligence Community is "collection centric," spending billions on spy satellites and other exotic means for gathering data without appropriating the billions necessary for processing the information streaming down from space and disseminating it to commanders and intelligence analysts around the world. U.S. military doctrine has become so dependent on intelligence, particularly satellite imagery supplied by NIMA, that "it may become unsupportable with current investments." Competition for imagery between military commanders and civilians in the Intelligence Community and executive branch "borders on the unhealthy" and must be stopped. The National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), NIMA's sister agency that procures and operates spy satellites, took "inadequate notice" of the availability of high-resolution commercial satellite imagery in designing specifications for a new generation of U.S. spy satellites under a program called Future Imagery Architecture (FIA). The Intelligence Community lacks a strategy and has never appropriated enough money for acquiring commercial satellite imagery as a means of augmenting imagery from classified government satellites. The Intelligence Community seems to have inadequately explored new means for processing, evaluating and disseminating vast quantities of digital data from the FIA satellites, which will be coming on line over the next several years. "The commission acknowledges the Herculean task of modernizing while under resourced and simultaneously attempting to satisfy the increasing demand for its staple products," the panel concluded in its 164-page report. Required Reading II Rumsfeld will surely have read the new report of a commission on U.S. space policy and national security, since he chaired the congressionally mandated panel up until his nomination as secretary of defense. Three of the commission's 10 recommendations touch directly on Pentagon-Intelligence Community Relations: Recommendation No. 4: The secretary of defense and the DCI must have a "close, continuing and effective relationship" in order to resolve policy issues and allocate resources for space assets needed for both intelligence and war fighting. Recommendation No. 5: A new post of undersecretary of defense for space, intelligence and information should be created to oversee research and development, acquisition of space assets and coordination with the Intelligence Community. Recommendation No. 8: A new post of undersecretary of the Air Force should be created to run the NRO and serve as the sole acquisition authority for space assets, a responsibility now shared by the military and the DCI. The net effect of the commissions recommendations would make the DCI an official responsible for setting requirements for space assets and acquisition but not the one with appropriations authority for actually purchasing spy satellites. "My guess is that DCI won't be happy about being a customer of DoD when it comes to space-based collection," one intelligence official said. "But there are many areas where one government department has the lead for a service of common concern, and the other agencies simply state requirements." This will be an early test, perhaps, of the Rumsfeld-Tenet relationship. From JHarford@compuserve.com Mon Jan 22 15:02:01 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:02:01 -0500 From: james harford JHarford@compuserve.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Book pushing Re Phillip Clark's message on the matter of freebie books, I had to adopt an Arthur Clarke principle for the KOROLEV book. Arthur would tell friends who wanted freebies that he would lend them the money to buy a copy. In my case it took almost two years for KOROLEV sales to reach the point when my advance ($10K) was covered. Only when the book went into paperback did I begin to get (modest) royalties. I figure I have made about $2 an hour for the time I put into the research and writing. Thanks to a Verville Fellowship at NASM a good part of my travel costs were underwritten--including numerous trips to Russia. By the way, it is simply remarkable to me that Asif Saddiqi was able to write such an awesomely complete and analytically perceptive book as CHALLENGE TO APOLLO without making a single trip to Russia! Jim Harford From cliched@earthlink.net Mon Jan 22 14:33:36 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:33:36 -0400 From: Joy cliched@earthlink.net Subject: [FPSPACE] New SecDef on US Military/Intel Space [stuff snipped] > >Rumsfeld is under no illusions about the difficulties involved in >intelligence reform. Here is a man who, at one point during his >confirmation hearing, casually mentioned reading "Eye in the Sky," a book >on the Corona spy satellite program, as he responded to a question about >National Missile Defense. > >Corona, Rumsfeld noted, "failed 11, 12 or 13 times during the Eisenhower >administration and the Kennedy administration. And they stuck with it, and >it worked, and they ended up saving billions of dollars." Those with a sharp eye will note that FPSpace contributor Dwayne Day was one of the editors of "Eye in the Sky," the book on CORONA. You know you've reached the top when you're being cited in Congressional hearings.... Asif From lklaes@bbn.com Mon Jan 22 15:29:23 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:29:23 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Titan II Launch Rescheduled for Monday, Jan. 22 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:38:19 -0500 From: Brian Webb <102670.1206@compuserve.com> Subject: [Launch-Alert] Launch Set for Monday To: launch-alert Sender: owner-launch-alert@qth.net Reply-To: Brian Webb <102670.1206@compuserve.com> ASTRONOMY/SPACE ALERT FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA Brian Webb, KD6NRP Ventura County, California E-mail: 102670.1206@compuserve.com Web Page: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rawhide_home_page http://home.earthlink.net/~kd6nrp 2001 January 21 (Sunday) 14:35 PST ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Titan II Launch Rescheduled for Monday This week's Titan II/DMSP launch was scrubbed during the final moments of the countdown on Saturday and again on Sunday. The vehicle is now scheduled for launch from Vandenberg AFB at 5:58 a.m. PST tomorrow (Monday). The launch window extends from 05:58 to 06:08. For the latest information on this launch, consult the Spaceflight Now web site at http://www.spaceflightnow.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ______________________________________________________ To subscribe to launch-alert , send the following e-mail: To: majordomo@qth.net Message Text: subscribe launch-alert To unsubscribe to launch-alert , send the following e-mail: To: majordomo@qth.net Message Text: unsubscribe launch-alert From lklaes@bbn.com Mon Jan 22 15:34:52 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:34:52 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Mir Gyrodynes Fail To Restart To what extent was Mir designed to function properly without a crew onboard? Or is this moot now because of how old the station is? On the wild idea side, could the Space Shuttle be employed to rescue all or parts of it for return to Earth? Larry At 09:35 AM 01/22/2001 -0500, Dwayne Allen Day wrote: >On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 JamesOberg@aol.com wrote: > >> The gyroscopes ground to a halt during a sudden power loss last week that >> disabled the 15-year-old Mir's central computer and its orientation system, >> prompting officials to put off the launch of the Progress M1 cargo ship for >> fears the Mir would be too unstable to dock with. > >Quick question: > >There was an earlier failure a few weeks ago. In that case, the computer >failure came first due to a software glitch. This caused the solar panels >to drift out of alignment. This statement above implies that the second >failure was different--that a power failure caused a computer failure. > >Is this the case, or were the two failures the same and this report is >wrong? > > > >DDAY > >_______________________________________________ >FPSPACE mailing list >FPSPACE@friends-partners.org >http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace > From dave.woods@lmco.com Mon Jan 22 16:13:47 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:13:47 -0500 From: Woods, Dave dave.woods@lmco.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Mir Gyrodynes Fail To Restart The question of returning Mir assets with the Shuttle have been addressed a number of times. The answer always comes up the same: spending hundreds of millions of dollars for a Shuttle mission to retrieve millions of dollars worth of Mir equipment unfortunately can not be justified, both in terms of cost as well as diversion of people to prepare for such a mission. The return on investment is not there, unfortunately. > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Klaes [SMTP:lklaes@bbn.com] > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 10:35 AM > To: Dwayne Allen Day > Cc: fpspace@friends-partners.org > Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Mir Gyrodynes Fail To Restart > > On the wild idea side, could the Space Shuttle be > employed to rescue all or parts of it for return > to Earth? > > Larry From vojko.kogej@guest.arnes.si Mon Jan 22 17:13:26 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:13:26 +0100 From: Vojko Kogej vojko.kogej@guest.arnes.si Subject: [FPSPACE] Titan II Launch Rescheduled for Monday, Jan. 22 Titan 2 is delayed to Tuesday. Best regards, Vojko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Klaes" To: ; "fpspace@solar.rtd.utk.edu" Cc: "H. Alan Montgomery" Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 4:29 PM Subject: [FPSPACE] Titan II Launch Rescheduled for Monday, Jan. 22 > Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:38:19 -0500 > From: Brian Webb <102670.1206@compuserve.com> > Subject: [Launch-Alert] Launch Set for Monday > To: launch-alert > Sender: owner-launch-alert@qth.net > Reply-To: Brian Webb <102670.1206@compuserve.com> > > > ASTRONOMY/SPACE ALERT FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA > > Brian Webb, KD6NRP > Ventura County, California > E-mail: 102670.1206@compuserve.com > Web Page: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rawhide_home_page > http://home.earthlink.net/~kd6nrp > > 2001 January 21 (Sunday) 14:35 PST > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > Titan II Launch Rescheduled for Monday > > This week's Titan II/DMSP launch was scrubbed during the final moments of the > countdown on Saturday and again on Sunday. The vehicle is now scheduled for > launch from Vandenberg AFB at 5:58 a.m. PST tomorrow (Monday). The launch > window > extends from 05:58 to 06:08. > > For the latest information on this launch, consult the Spaceflight Now web > site > at http://www.spaceflightnow.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > ______________________________________________________ > > To subscribe to launch-alert , send the following e-mail: > > To: majordomo@qth.net > > Message Text: subscribe launch-alert > > To unsubscribe to launch-alert , send the following e-mail: > > To: majordomo@qth.net > > Message Text: unsubscribe launch-alert > > > > _______________________________________________ > FPSPACE mailing list > FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace > From lklaes@bbn.com Mon Jan 22 17:26:27 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:26:27 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Mir Gyrodynes Fail To Restart How about in the sales of admission tickets to whatever museum would end up housing the Mir sections? And wouldn't Mir be valuable in terms of the data on how much debris had hit it over the years in LEO, just as with LDEF? Larry At 11:13 AM 01/22/2001 -0500, Woods, Dave wrote: >The question of returning Mir assets with the Shuttle have been >addressed a number of times. The answer always comes up the >same: spending hundreds of millions of dollars for a Shuttle >mission to retrieve millions of dollars worth of Mir equipment >unfortunately can not be justified, both in terms of cost as well as >diversion of people to prepare for such a mission. The return on >investment is not there, unfortunately. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Larry Klaes [SMTP:lklaes@bbn.com] >> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 10:35 AM >> To: Dwayne Allen Day >> Cc: fpspace@friends-partners.org >> Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Mir Gyrodynes Fail To Restart >> >> On the wild idea side, could the Space Shuttle be >> employed to rescue all or parts of it for return >> to Earth? >> >> Larry >_______________________________________________ >FPSPACE mailing list >FPSPACE@friends-partners.org >http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace > From wayneday@gwu.edu Mon Jan 22 18:05:32 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:05:32 -0500 From: wayneday wayneday@gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Book pushing >===== Original Message From james harford ===== >case it took almost two years for KOROLEV sales to reach the point when my >advance ($10K) was covered. Only when the book went into paperback did I >begin to get (modest) royalties. I figure I have made about $2 an hour for >the time I put into the research and writing. Thanks to a Verville >Fellowship at NASM a good part of my travel costs were >underwritten--including numerous trips to Russia. 'tis true. In the case of government-printed books (like our Exploring the Unknown series or Asif's Challenge to Apollo), the author usually gets a number of free copies. But that number is *never* as many as the author would like to send out to the people who helped, and certainly not enough to cover free copies to anyone who requests one. And sometimes the author gets _many_ requests for free copies. Even if he has them sitting around, the postage gets expensive--figure at least a couple of bucks per mailed copy, plus a mailing envelope (another buck). I am supposed to get a couple of boxes of my new Air Force book sometime soon and I will mail a copy to anybody who will cover the cost of postage (but am under no delusions that the demand will be all that great...). And in all these cases for academic books, the author is usually making only a piddling sum from book sales. I think that my total royalties to date on the book we did for Smithsonian Press have been about $6K, and that was for about a year of work. There are only two ways to write in the academic realm and not die of starvation. One is to supplement your work with a fellowship or grant, and the other is to have another, nearly fulltime job. I imagine bank robbery would also work, but I haven't looked into it too deeply. >By the way, it is simply >remarkable to me that Asif Saddiqi was able to write such an awesomely >complete and analytically perceptive book as CHALLENGE TO APOLLO without >making a single trip to Russia! Asif just isn't human. We're guessing he's from a small planet near Betelgeuse... DDAY From psclark@dircon.co.uk Mon Jan 22 18:08:46 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:08:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Phillip Clark psclark@dircon.co.uk Subject: [FPSPACE] Mir Gyrodynes Fail To Restart On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Woods, Dave wrote: > The question of returning Mir assets with the Shuttle have been > addressed a number of times. The answer always comes up the > same: spending hundreds of millions of dollars for a Shuttle > mission to retrieve millions of dollars worth of Mir equipment > unfortunately can not be justified, both in terms of cost as well as > diversion of people to prepare for such a mission. The return on > investment is not there, unfortunately. I will probably be told that I am being politically incorrect with this, but I bet that if Mir was a NASA station the bucks would have been found to transfer one or more modules and other equipment to ISS, even if the modules and equipment were only to be used for a year or two. Of course, NASA would have ensure that ISS was co-planar with Mir for such work. Unfortunately, NASA seems to have the attitude that nothing that the Russians have developed or have done is worth anything compared with the vast NASA experience in space station operations. My guess is that they will write the Russian achivements out of space station history. They have already started, claiming in the title of the press kit that STS-96 was the first visit to an orbiting outpost. The fire brigade is on call, ready for the flames ....... Phillip Clark --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip S Clark 22 Winterbourne Close Molniya Space Consultancy Hastings Compiler/Publisher, Worldwide Satellite Launches E Sussex TN34 1XG U.K. Specialist in "space archeology" - the older and more obscure the more interesting it is ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From agzak@concentric.net Mon Jan 22 20:18:14 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:18:14 -0500 From: Anatoly Zak agzak@concentric.net Subject: [FPSPACE] Mir Gyrodynes Fail To Restart --------------3B82A8086B0F3F22C347FABF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It looks like this explanation does not address what really hapenned. This time, high temperature in Kvant-2 caused some fluctation in the electrical system, which was detected by the computer system, which, in turn, shut down power supply. This is the most probable cause. Since entire incident took place when Mir was out of range of ground control station, nobody knows for sure what hapenned. -- Anatoly Zak RussianSpaceWeb.com Dwayne Allen Day wrote: On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 JamesOberg@aol.com wrote: > The gyroscopes ground to a halt during a sudden power loss last week that > disabled the 15-year-old Mir's central computer and its orientation system, > prompting officials to put off the launch of the Progress M1 cargo ship for > fears the Mir would be too unstable to dock with. Quick question: There was an earlier failure a few weeks ago. In that case, the computer failure came first due to a software glitch. This caused the solar panels to drift out of alignment. This statement above implies that the second failure was different--that a power failure caused a computer failure. Is this the case, or were the two failures the same and this report is wrong? DDAY Dwayne Allen Day wrote: > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 JamesOberg@aol.com wrote: > > > The gyroscopes ground to a halt during a sudden power loss last week that > > disabled the 15-year-old Mir's central computer and its orientation system, > > prompting officials to put off the launch of the Progress M1 cargo ship for > > fears the Mir would be too unstable to dock with. > > Quick question: > > There was an earlier failure a few weeks ago. In that case, the computer > failure came first due to a software glitch. This caused the solar panels > to drift out of alignment. This statement above implies that the second > failure was different--that a power failure caused a computer failure. > > Is this the case, or were the two failures the same and this report is > wrong? > > DDAY > > _______________________________________________ > FPSPACE mailing list > FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace -- Anatoly Zak RussianSpaceWeb.com --------------3B82A8086B0F3F22C347FABF Content-Type: text/html; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
It looks like this explanation does not address what really hapenned.

This time, high temperature in Kvant-2 caused some fluctation in the electrical system, which was
detected by the computer system, which, in turn, shut down power supply. This is the most
probable cause. Since entire incident took place when Mir was out of range of ground control
station, nobody knows for sure what hapenned.

-- Anatoly Zak
RussianSpaceWeb.com

Dwayne Allen Day wrote:

  On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 JamesOberg@aol.com wrote:

  > The gyroscopes ground to a halt during a sudden power loss last week that
  > disabled the 15-year-old Mir's central computer and its orientation system,
  > prompting officials to put off the launch of the Progress M1 cargo ship for
  > fears the Mir would be too unstable to dock with.

  Quick question:

  There was an earlier failure a few weeks ago.  In that case, the computer
  failure came first due to a software glitch.  This caused the solar panels
  to drift out of alignment.  This statement above implies that the second
  failure was different--that a power failure caused a computer failure.

  Is this the case, or were the two failures the same and this report is
  wrong?

  DDAY

Dwayne Allen Day wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 JamesOberg@aol.com wrote:

> The gyroscopes ground to a halt during a sudden power loss last week that
> disabled the 15-year-old Mir's central computer and its orientation system,
> prompting officials to put off the launch of the Progress M1 cargo ship for
> fears the Mir would be too unstable to dock with.

Quick question:

There was an earlier failure a few weeks ago.  In that case, the computer
failure came first due to a software glitch.  This caused the solar panels
to drift out of alignment.  This statement above implies that the second
failure was different--that a power failure caused a computer failure.

Is this the case, or were the two failures the same and this report is
wrong?

DDAY

_______________________________________________
FPSPACE mailing list
FPSPACE@friends-partners.org
http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace


-- Anatoly Zak
RussianSpaceWeb.com
  --------------3B82A8086B0F3F22C347FABF-- From robert.c.dempsey1@jsc.nasa.gov Mon Jan 22 20:50:24 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:50:24 -0600 From: DEMPSEY, ROBERT C. (JSC-DF25) robert.c.dempsey1@jsc.nasa.gov Subject: [FPSPACE] Mir Gyrodynes Fail To Restart Why would NASA treat it any differently? IUE (history) and GRO (refurbish and refly) would have been worth bringing back and it still could nto be justified to spend the money. I really doubt if NASA owened MIR it would be any different. -----Original Message----- From: Phillip Clark [mailto:psclark@dircon.co.uk] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 12:09 PM To: Woods, Dave Cc: 'fpspace@friends-partners.org' Subject: RE: [FPSPACE] Mir Gyrodynes Fail To Restart On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Woods, Dave wrote: > The question of returning Mir assets with the Shuttle have been > addressed a number of times. The answer always comes up the > same: spending hundreds of millions of dollars for a Shuttle > mission to retrieve millions of dollars worth of Mir equipment > unfortunately can not be justified, both in terms of cost as well as > diversion of people to prepare for such a mission. The return on > investment is not there, unfortunately. I will probably be told that I am being politically incorrect with this, but I bet that if Mir was a NASA station the bucks would have been found to transfer one or more modules and other equipment to ISS, even if the modules and equipment were only to be used for a year or two. Of course, NASA would have ensure that ISS was co-planar with Mir for such work. Unfortunately, NASA seems to have the attitude that nothing that the Russians have developed or have done is worth anything compared with the vast NASA experience in space station operations. My guess is that they will write the Russian achivements out of space station history. They have already started, claiming in the title of the press kit that STS-96 was the first visit to an orbiting outpost. The fire brigade is on call, ready for the flames ....... Phillip Clark --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip S Clark 22 Winterbourne Close Molniya Space Consultancy Hastings Compiler/Publisher, Worldwide Satellite Launches E Sussex TN34 1XG U.K. Specialist in "space archeology" - the older and more obscure the more interesting it is ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ FPSPACE mailing list FPSPACE@friends-partners.org http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Mon Jan 22 23:08:53 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:08:53 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] NASA HQ Announces Personnel Changes FYI: Courtney Stadd used to serve in the Commerce Department in the last Bush administration and is probably the lead advisor on space to the new administration. DDAY ************************************** PRESS RELEASE Date Released: Monday, January 22, 2001 NASA HQ Announces Personnel Changes NASA Organization NASA Administrator Daniel S. Goldin has agreed to stay on until the new Administration makes some final decisions about the direction of the space agency. "I serve at the pleasure of the President of the United States," said Administrator Goldin. "I am pleased to be of assistance during this transition process. I am committed to making this transition smooth, and I expect that every employee will support that goal." "NASA has worked closely with the members of the Bush transition team in recent weeks," said Chris Christensen, NASA Associate Administrator for Headquarters Operations. "We've given them a lot of material to review, but everything is running smoothly." The following individuals will serve in an acting capacity in positions formerly held by political appointees. - Steve Varholy, Acting Chief Financial Officer - Mary Dee Kerwin, Acting Associate Administrator for Legislative Affairs - Paula Cleggett, Acting Associate Administrator for Public Affairs - Beth McCormick, Acting Associate Administrator for Policy and Plans Effective Monday, January 22, Courtney Stadd will serve as NASA's Chief of Staff and White House Liaison. From lklaes@bbn.com Mon Jan 22 23:07:45 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:07:45 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Mir in the Moon I am very curious to know what object is zipping in front of the Moon in this video image: http://www.astrovid.com/images/Multimedia/satdong.rm The Web page it comes from: http://www.astrovid.com/Astrovid%20Multimedia%20pages.htm Larry At 08:16 PM 01/06/2001 +0100, Raoul Lannoy wrote: >Hello all, >At around 16:18 UT, I went to the attic, finally saw >Venus above an appartment roof, on the other side of the >street and turned my back to have a look at Jupiter and >the Moon with my 20 x 80 binoculars. Suddenly, I see a >point of light rushing towards the Moon (it had no >blinking lights and followed a familiar ISS or MIR path) >and it CROSSED the MOON, yes, it went inside the Moon and >crossed it in a fraction of a second. I'm quite puzzled >because I don't remember seeing it on Heavens Above, so >early, and check the time: 16:20 UT. Back to the PC, I >check Mir's passages. There's only one at 17:54. >However, tomorrow, there are 2 passages and there are 94 >minutes between 2 orbits. If you substract 94 minutes >from 17:54, you arrive at.....16:20 !!! >I live at 51d12m25sN-4d25m21sE >This was totally unexpected! > >Raoul > > > > >_______________________________________________ >FPSPACE mailing list >FPSPACE@friends-partners.org >http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace From WSpaceport@aol.com Mon Jan 22 23:29:46 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:29:46 EST From: WSpaceport@aol.com WSpaceport@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Bush policy on NASA --part1_39.f9fe19e.279e1c6a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/22/2001 2:59:28 PM, clj@emc.com writes: > In an effort to be at least slightly on topic, the only references to space > policy I can recall coming out of the incoming administration have been > Rumsfeld's declaration that space assets are of more importance to the US > than > any other country, and Bush's advocacy of a National Missile Defense > FWIW. . . (No doubt put together by his staffers and policy wonks -- but it's something to work with) George W. Bush responds to SPACE.com's questionnaire on space as he makes a bid to become the 43rd president of the United States. SPACE.com: NASA's showcase program, the International Space Station (ISS), brings together 16 nations. How important is it for the U.S. to work with other nations on space projects even though their space agencies may not be as well funded as NASA? Bush: I support the International Space Station and believe that we must ensure that it becomes operational in the near term. At the same time, I believe that the ISS provides important lessons that should govern whether or not we enter into similar international space projects in the future. Such lessons include establishing at the outset very clear and concise criteria for the project's success, as well as compelling goals that the American taxpayer can use to judge whether the project advanced our nation's overall interests in space. Also, it is important that the project be structured so that it is not captive to the successful contribution of any one foreign partner. Further, where appropriate, we should seriously consider establishing a non-government entity to manage the operations of the project versus being primarily reliant on government bureaucrats. SPACE.com: Since it was chartered in 1958, NASA has made public education a large part of its mission. What space topics should be taught in the classrooms of America and why? Bush: Space has proven to be a wonderful source of motivation to get our nation's students to focus on mastering their skills in math and the various sciences. Beyond that, I would encourage our nation's schools to take full advantage of the magnificent imagery and breakthroughs in space knowledge that have come from NASA's orbiting observatories, including the incredible work being produced by the Hubble and Chandra Space Telescopes. Furthermore, students should be introduced to the insights that are being made regarding the impact of space on human physiology, as well as other living organisms. For example, we have accumulated a lot of knowledge about the effects of weightlessness on a whole range of materials, including potential benefits for making more effective medical drugs that should be widely shared in our classrooms. We also need to share the lessons of our research and observation about our own home planet. NASA and many other agencies have amassed countless amounts of information about the Earth and sharing that information in classrooms will make current and future generations even better stewards of the Earth. SPACE.com: When is the best time for NASA to send humans to Mars, if at all? Bush: I believe it is important that we continue to lay the groundwork for long-term exploration of our neighboring planets such as Mars by increasing our knowledge and experience of planetary exploration via robots, including landers that are ultimately capable of extensive coverage. In addition, it is important that America stay focused on driving the cost of space transportation down so that the total costs of sending humans to explore new planets is affordable and the means to get them there is technologically feasible, reliable and accountable. That means making renewed commitments to math and science education at every level of education in America and managing programs more responsibly. SPACE.com: How important is it for NASA to study the health and environmental changes of Earth from space? Bush: NASA, like other any other science agency, is responsible for sharing their insights into what can help us better understand our planet and life on it. Whether through developing new technologies that can give us advance warnings of weather emergencies, such as hurricanes or tornadoes, or applying newfound knowledge to help a farmer plant a robust crop, NASA shows us how exploring the beyond offers us reward here at home. It has been these explorations, brought home by America's greatest explorers -- astronauts -- that offer the most reward for the American people. The end result not only better serves the taxpayers, whose investments made the research possible, but ultimately will make us better stewards of our Earth. SPACE.com: One of NASA's programs, called Origins, is dedicated to answering the question of whether there may be life elsewhere in the universe. Do you think there could be life beyond Earth? Why or why not? Bush: I might not see an answer to that question within my lifetime, but as a people, Americans are innately curious and it is inevitable that we will wish to investigate the farthest reaches of the universe in search of organic life. Ground-based and orbiting observatories are constantly reporting the appearance of never before seen planets. It is incumbent on us to be good stewards of our planet while we continue to understand, within our limited resources, the many wonderful mysteries of the universe. ******************************************************* FYI -- The item below is taken from "NASA Watch" (<http://www.nasawatch.com/index.html>). Both of the officials mentioned on the Bush transition team have National Space Society connections. Courtney Stadd was Executive Director of the National Space Institute (a precursor to NSS) while Scott Pace has served as Vice President of NSS and now sits on the Policy Committee. Scott was also active in OASIS (Los Angeles chapter of NSS: "Organization for the Advancement of Space Industrialization and Settlement") prior to moving to D.C. = = = = = = 3 January 2001: Who will be the Next NASA Administrator? Editor's note: While the Bush Adminstration speeds along in the naming of its Cabinet, the post of NASA Administrator is still without an heir apparent. While transition officials Courtney Stadd and Scott Pace have been in regular contact with NASA management, their discussions have been confined to the current status of the agency and its programs. Discussions regarding a successor to Goldin (or an interim occupant) have not been held with NASA. However, given that all Clinton Administration political appointees were directed last year to prepare letters of resignation by White House Chief of Staff John Podesta, one would assume that Dan Goldin has prepared his. Even if Goldin has not prepared a letter, he ought to be giving thought to doing so: indications from individuals familiar with the interests of President-elect Bush's incoming administration express little - if any - support for Goldin staying on as Administrator - or even serving for a short period as a caretaker until such time as a final nominee is announced. Meanwhile, the name of former Senator and Apollo 17 astronaut Dr. Harrison Schmitt still seems to be the one possible candidate's whose name continues to circulate in the press having first emerged on 15 December 2000. Capitol Hill sources contacted by NASA Watch greeted the possibility of Schmitt's nomination with enthusiasm (NOTE: Dr. Schmitt also serves on the NSS Board of Governors. . .). Another name is also making the rounds. Sources on Capitol Hill have told NASA Watch that a letter is currently being circulated on the Hill (looking for signatures) with the backing of Orbital Sciences Corp. This letter is pushing for the nomination of OSC's president David Thompson as the next NASA Administrator. Given the recent problems OSC had with auditors and reporting of corporate finances, his chances are probably a bit of a long shot. *************************************** Regards, Jim Spellman NSS/Western Spaceport Chapter --part1_39.f9fe19e.279e1c6a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/22/2001 2:59:28 PM, clj@emc.com writes:


In an effort to be at least slightly on topic, the only references to space
policy I can recall coming out of the incoming administration have been
Rumsfeld's declaration that space assets are of more importance to the US
than
any other country, and Bush's advocacy of a National Missile Defense
program.



FWIW. . .

(No doubt put together by his staffers and policy wonks -- but it's something
to work with)

George W. Bush responds to SPACE.com's questionnaire on space as he makes a
bid to become the 43rd president of the United States.

SPACE.com: NASA's showcase program, the International Space Station (ISS),
brings together 16 nations. How important is it for the U.S. to work with
other nations on space projects even though their space agencies may not be
as well funded as NASA?

Bush: I support the International Space Station and believe that we must
ensure that it becomes operational in the near term. At the same time, I
believe that the ISS provides important lessons that should govern whether or
not we enter into similar international space projects in the future. Such
lessons include establishing at the outset very clear and concise criteria
for the project's success, as well as compelling goals that the American
taxpayer can use to judge whether the project advanced our nation's overall
interests in space. Also, it is important that the project be structured so
that it is not captive to the successful contribution of any one foreign
partner.

Further, where appropriate, we should seriously consider establishing a
non-government entity to manage the operations of the project versus being
primarily reliant on government bureaucrats.


SPACE.com: Since it was chartered in 1958, NASA has made public education a
large part of its mission. What space topics should be taught in the
classrooms of America and why?

Bush: Space has proven to be a wonderful source of motivation to get our
nation's students to focus on mastering their skills in math and the various
sciences. Beyond that, I would encourage our nation's schools to take full
advantage of the magnificent imagery and breakthroughs in space knowledge
that have come from NASA's orbiting observatories, including the incredible
work being produced by the Hubble and Chandra Space Telescopes.

Furthermore, students should be introduced to the insights that are being
made regarding the impact of space on human physiology, as well as other
living organisms. For example, we have accumulated a lot of knowledge about
the effects of weightlessness on a whole range of materials, including
potential benefits for making more effective medical drugs that should be
widely shared in our classrooms. We also need to share the lessons of our
research and observation about our own home planet. NASA and many other
agencies have amassed countless amounts of information about the Earth and
sharing that information in classrooms will make current and future
generations even better stewards of the Earth.


SPACE.com: When is the best time for NASA to send humans to Mars, if at all?

Bush: I believe it is important that we continue to lay the groundwork for
long-term exploration of our neighboring planets such as Mars by increasing
our knowledge and experience of planetary exploration via robots, including
landers that are ultimately capable of extensive coverage. In addition, it is
important that America stay focused on driving the cost of space
transportation down so that the total costs of sending humans to explore new
planets is affordable and the means to get them there is technologically
feasible, reliable and accountable. That means making renewed commitments to
math and science education at every level of education in America and
managing programs more responsibly.


SPACE.com: How important is it for NASA to study the health and environmental
changes of Earth from space?

Bush: NASA, like other any other science agency, is responsible for sharing
their insights into what can help us better understand our planet and life on
it. Whether through developing new technologies that can give us advance
warnings of weather emergencies, such as hurricanes or tornadoes, or applying
newfound knowledge to help a farmer plant a robust crop, NASA shows us how
exploring the beyond offers us reward here at home. It has been these
explorations, brought home by America's greatest explorers -- astronauts --
that offer the most reward for the American people. The end result not only
better serves the taxpayers, whose investments made the research possible,
but ultimately will make us better stewards of our Earth.


SPACE.com: One of NASA's programs, called Origins, is dedicated to answering
the question of whether there may be life elsewhere in the universe. Do you
think there could be life beyond Earth? Why or why not?

Bush: I might not see an answer to that question within my lifetime, but as a
people, Americans are innately curious and it is inevitable that we will wish
to investigate the farthest reaches of the universe in search of organic
life. Ground-based and orbiting observatories are constantly reporting the
appearance of never before seen planets. It is incumbent on us to be good
stewards of our planet while we continue to understand, within our limited
resources, the many wonderful mysteries of the universe.

*******************************************************
FYI --

The item below is taken from "NASA Watch"
(<http://www.nasawatch.com/index.html>).

Both of the officials mentioned on the Bush transition team have
National Space Society connections. Courtney Stadd was Executive
Director of the National Space Institute (a precursor to NSS) while
Scott Pace has served as Vice President of NSS and now sits on the
Policy Committee. Scott was also active in OASIS (Los Angeles chapter
of NSS: "Organization for the Advancement of Space Industrialization
and Settlement") prior to moving to D.C.

= = = = = =

3 January 2001: Who will be the Next NASA Administrator?

Editor's note: While the Bush Adminstration speeds along in the naming
of its Cabinet, the post of NASA Administrator is still without an heir
apparent. While transition officials Courtney Stadd and Scott Pace have
been in regular contact with NASA management, their discussions have
been confined to the current status of the agency and its programs.
Discussions regarding a successor to Goldin (or an interim occupant)
have not been held with NASA.

However, given that all Clinton Administration political appointees were
directed last year to prepare letters of resignation by White House
Chief of Staff John Podesta, one would assume that Dan Goldin has
prepared his. Even if Goldin has not prepared a letter, he ought to be
giving thought to doing so: indications from individuals familiar with
the interests of President-elect Bush's incoming administration express
little - if any - support for Goldin staying on as Administrator - or
even serving for a short period as a caretaker until such time as a
final nominee is announced.

Meanwhile, the name of former Senator and Apollo 17 astronaut Dr.
Harrison Schmitt still seems to be the one possible candidate's whose
name continues to circulate in the press having first emerged on 15
December 2000. Capitol Hill sources contacted by NASA Watch greeted the
possibility of Schmitt's nomination with enthusiasm (NOTE: Dr. Schmitt also
serves on the NSS Board of Governors. . .).

Another name is also making the rounds. Sources on Capitol Hill have
told NASA Watch that a letter is currently being circulated on the Hill
(looking for signatures) with the backing of Orbital Sciences Corp. This
letter is pushing for the nomination of OSC's president David Thompson
as the next NASA Administrator. Given the recent problems OSC had with
auditors and reporting of corporate finances, his chances are probably a
bit of a long shot.
***************************************

Regards,

Jim Spellman
NSS/Western Spaceport Chapter

--part1_39.f9fe19e.279e1c6a_boundary-- From raoul.lannoy@pandora.be Tue Jan 23 06:34:15 2001 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:34:15 +0100 From: Raoul Lannoy raoul.lannoy@pandora.be Subject: [FPSPACE] Mir in the Moon Looks like it's far too slow to be a satellite. Besides, it's not regular. Looks like a bird or a flying piece of paper. Raoul >I am very curious to know what object is zipping in >front of the Moon in this video image: > >http://www.astrovid.com/images/Multimedia/satdong.rm > >The Web page it comes from: > >http://www.astrovid.com/Astrovid%20Multimedia%20pages.htm > >Larry > > From cwdonald@ix.netcom.com Tue Jan 23 06:58:18 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:58:18 -0800 From: Chuck Donaldson cwdonald@ix.netcom.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Book pushing All of the authors of this group should feel no guilt for "pushing" their books. The contributions to the history of the various space programs, the immense knowledge you pass along, and the shear efforts you have to make to get them done should automatically award you a "listing" on this site. I've purchased, probably most of the major books, announced on this site. By "pushing" the book you alert us to get our orders in quick. Look at the efforts most of us went through to get "Challenge to Apollo." The efforts have always paid off. Push harder, sell more. cwdonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Clark" To: "Max White" Cc: "FPSPACE" Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 4:21 AM Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Book pushing > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Max White wrote: > > If you are going to plug, at least pass out freebie copies to those on the > > listerver, in order to judge how good the plugs are...;] > > My own view is that so long as the book being plugged is on-topic for the > mailing list then there is no problem in plugging it with a single > message. It tells people that the book is out there to go and buy ! > > You should also remember that unless you're a Jackie Collins* or Jeffrey > Archer, pumping out books every few months, authors do not make that much > money for the work which they put into the books, and therefore cannot > afford to send out free or even reduced-price copies to all that many > people. > > I was lucky with my 1988 book because I was paid a fixed fee for writing > it rather than royalties. If you get paid by royalties then you have to > first deduct any advance payment which you get and then wait a year or two > before the first royalty cheque arrives. > > Phillip Clark > > > * How many people remember Rex Hall introducing Dave Shayler at a BIS > meeting a few years ago as "the Jackie Collins of spaceflight" ..... ? > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Phillip S Clark 22 Winterbourne Close > Molniya Space Consultancy Hastings > Compiler/Publisher, Worldwide Satellite Launches E Sussex TN34 1XG > U.K. > > Specialist in "space archeology" - the older and more obscure the more > interesting it is ! > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > > > _______________________________________________ > FPSPACE mailing list > FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace From cwdonald@ix.netcom.com Tue Jan 23 07:06:44 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:06:44 -0800 From: Chuck Donaldson cwdonald@ix.netcom.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Mir Gyrodynes Fail To Restart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Klaes" To: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 9:26 AM Subject: RE: [FPSPACE] Mir Gyrodynes Fail To Restart > How about in the sales of admission tickets to whatever museum > would end up housing the Mir sections? > > And wouldn't Mir be valuable in terms of the data on how much > debris had hit it over the years in LEO, just as with LDEF? [I would think a lot of high resolution photography in a last "trip around" would be enough. Obviously nothing on the micro scale could be done. Too bad a few outside sample pieces aren't beging brought back. That would provide a good sample for study.] > > Larry > > > At 11:13 AM 01/22/2001 -0500, Woods, Dave wrote: > > >The question of returning Mir assets with the Shuttle have been > >addressed a number of times. The answer always comes up the > >same: spending hundreds of millions of dollars for a Shuttle > >mission to retrieve millions of dollars worth of Mir equipment > >unfortunately can not be justified, both in terms of cost as well as > >diversion of people to prepare for such a mission. The return on > >investment is not there, unfortunately. > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Larry Klaes [SMTP:lklaes@bbn.com] > >> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 10:35 AM > >> To: Dwayne Allen Day > >> Cc: fpspace@friends-partners.org > >> Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Mir Gyrodynes Fail To Restart > >> > >> On the wild idea side, could the Space Shuttle be > >> employed to rescue all or parts of it for return > >> to Earth? > >> > >> Larry > >_______________________________________________ > >FPSPACE mailing list > >FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > >http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace > > > _______________________________________________ > FPSPACE mailing list > FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace From cwdonald@ix.netcom.com Tue Jan 23 07:15:09 2001 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:15:09 -0800 From: Chuck Donaldson cwdonald@ix.netcom.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Mir in the Moon At first glance, and several pauses during the pass I could swear I see wings on this thing. Can't see the tail structure, but after the third or fourth time I could see wings. I looked for contrails, but none. I'm saying it's an aircraft, pretty large, probably commercial with the probabilities and of something passing in front on the lens as it sweep the moon. cwdonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Klaes" To: "Raoul Lannoy" ; "1Friends and partners in space" ; Cc: "Michael Gill" ; "Paul Maley" ; "Andrew LePage" ; "Ron Dantowitz" Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Mir in the Moon > I am very curious to know what object is zipping in > front of the Moon in this video image: > > http://www.astrovid.com/images/Multimedia/satdong.rm > > The Web page it comes from: > > http://www.astrovid.com/Astrovid%20Multimedia%20pages.htm > > Larry > > > At 08:16 PM 01/06/2001 +0100, Raoul Lannoy wrote: > > >Hello all, > >At around 16:18 UT, I went to the attic, finally saw > >Venus above an appartment roof, on the other side of the > >street and turned my back to have a look at Jupiter and > >the Moon with my 20 x 80 binoculars. Suddenly, I see a > >point of light rushing towards the Moon (it had no > >blinking lights and followed a familiar ISS or MIR path) > >and it CROSSED the MOON, yes, it went inside the Moon and > >crossed it in a fraction of a second. I'm quite puzzled > >because I don't remember seeing it on Heavens Above, so > >early, and check the time: 16:20 UT. Back to the PC, I > >check Mir's passages. There's only one at 17:54. > >However, tomorrow, there are 2 passages and there are 94 > >minutes between 2 orbits. If you substract 94 minutes > >from 17:54, you arrive at.....16:20 !!! > >I live at 51d12m25sN-4d25m21sE > >This was totally unexpected! > > > >Raoul > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >FPSPACE mailing list > >FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > >http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace > > > > _______________________________________________ > FPSPACE mailing list > FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace From psclark@dircon.co.uk Tue Jan 23 08:51:12 2001 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:51:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Phillip Clark psclark@dircon.co.uk Subject: [FPSPACE] Okos in Air et Cosmos Does anyone have an e-mail address for the French publication Air et Cosmos, please ? I have just seen a copy of the January 19th, 2001 edition which includes what they claim to be the _first_ photograph to be published of an Oko satellite. The truth is that - thanks to Bert Vis' camera - the first photo of an Oko actually appeared last month in my Oko review carried by the January 2001 Jane's Intelligence Review, and therefore the French claim is demonstrably wrong. I do not expect that Air and Cosmos will print a retraction for their claim, but I certainly wish to register a protest ! Phillip Clark --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip S Clark 22 Winterbourne Close Molniya Space Consultancy Hastings Compiler/Publisher, Worldwide Satellite Launches E Sussex TN34 1XG U.K. Specialist in "space archeology" - the older and more obscure the more interesting it is ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dave.woods@lmco.com Tue Jan 23 12:46:44 2001 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:46:44 -0500 From: Woods, Dave dave.woods@lmco.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Okos in Air et Cosmos There is one on display at Lavochkin. We had a chance to see and photograph it extensively last year at the YSC SpaceDTP-2000 workshop. Lavochkin is on the schedule for this year's program. Details can be seen at their web site at: http://ysc.sm.bmstu.ru/eng/dtp2001/prog.htm I believe time is running out to register, so people should not delay if they want to go. A number of people have contacted me about it, so it should be a good turn out again. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Phillip Clark [SMTP:psclark@dircon.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 3:51 AM > To: FPSPACE > Subject: [FPSPACE] Okos in Air et Cosmos > > Does anyone have an e-mail address for the French publication Air et > Cosmos, please ? > > I have just seen a copy of the January 19th, 2001 edition which includes > what they claim to be the _first_ photograph to be published of an Oko > satellite. > > The truth is that - thanks to Bert Vis' camera - the first photo of an Oko > actually appeared last month in my Oko review carried by the January 2001 > Jane's Intelligence Review, and therefore the French claim is demonstrably > wrong. > > I do not expect that Air and Cosmos will print a retraction for their > claim, but I certainly wish to register a protest ! > > Phillip Clark > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > Phillip S Clark 22 Winterbourne Close > Molniya Space Consultancy Hastings > Compiler/Publisher, Worldwide Satellite Launches E Sussex TN34 1XG > U.K. > > Specialist in "space archeology" - the older and more obscure the more > interesting it is ! > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Tue Jan 23 15:34:03 2001 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:34:03 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Okos in Air et Cosmos On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Phillip Clark wrote: > I have just seen a copy of the January 19th, 2001 edition which includes > what they claim to be the _first_ photograph to be published of an Oko > satellite. > > The truth is that - thanks to Bert Vis' camera - the first photo of an Oko > actually appeared last month in my Oko review carried by the January 2001 > Jane's Intelligence Review, and therefore the French claim is demonstrably > wrong. Someone posted a URL on this list years ago showing a really nice picture of an Oko in storage. I forget the details. DDAY From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Tue Jan 23 15:47:40 2001 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:47:40 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Counterspace technology unit enacted at Peterson AFB Counterspace technology unit enacted at Peterson 01/22/01 - PETERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Colo. (Air Force Press Network) -- Concepts of futuristic offensive and defensive counterspace weapon systems will soon be taken out of the lab and put to the test because of the activation of the 76th Space Control Squadron here. The new squadron became part of the 21st Space Wing Jan. 22. The control squadron, Air Force Space Command's first counterspace technology unit, will explore future space control technologies by testing models and prototypes of counterspace systems for rapid achievement of space superiority. "The freedom to operate in space is widely acknowledged as an American vital interest," said Brig. Gen. Gary R. Dylewski, Air Force Space Command's director of operations. "We must plan to both protect our access to space and deny access to those adversaries who want to use their own space systems against the United States and our allies. Investigating today's technologies better postures us for tomorrow." The squadron will concentrate on working through the challenges associated with future operations, according to Brig. Gen. C. Robert Kehler, 21st Space Wing commander. "Assessing the technological feasibility of an idea is only one piece of the puzzle," Kehler said. "You also have to consider how each concept might be deployed and employed in harsh combat environments. That's the job of the 76th Space Control Squadron -- to think through operational issues with an eye on improving potential designs." ___________________________________________________________________________= _____ Report of the Commission to Assess United States National Security Space Management and Organization III. U.S. Objectives for Space A. Transform U.S. Military Capabilities 1. Deterrence and Defense Policy for Space The 1996 National Space Policy states, =93Purposeful interference with space systems shall be viewed as an infringement on sovereign rights.=94 That policy directs that steps be taken to protect against attack through such measures as deploying sensors on satellites, hardening them to electromagnetic effects and radiation and improving the security of ground stations and communication links. It also directs that measures be taken to prevent attack on the communication links by encrypting messages, by tracking satellites and through warnings. Generally, commercial satellite operators have not seen a need to do this, as there are associated costs and customers have not demanded protection measures. Current policy also calls for a capability to negate threats to the use of space by the United States. In 1999 then-Deputy Secretary of Defense John Hamre stated that the preferred U.S. approach was =93tactical denial of capabilities=94 used by an adversary, not =93permanent destruction.=94 The = U.S. =93reserves the right to be able to retaliate and destroy=94 either ground sites or satellites, if necessary. The preferred approach to negation is the use of effects that are =93temporary and reversible in their nature.=94 Such approaches rely on jamming signals or interfering with the function of hostile satellites rather than disabling or destroying them. Temporary and reversible approaches are technically elegant and valuable, but they may not serve equally well across the full spectrum of possible contingencies. This is especially true when it is important to know with high confidence that a satellite can no longer function. The U.S. will require means of negating satellite threats, whether temporary and reversible or physically destructive. The senior political and military leadership needs to test these capabilities in exercises on a regular basis, both to keep the armed forces proficient in their use and to bolster their deterrent effect on potential adversaries. Besides computer-based simulations and other wargaming techniques, these exercises should include =93live fire=94 events. These =93live fire=94 events will require t= he development of testing ranges in space and procedures for their use that protect the on-orbit assets of the U.S. and other space-faring nations. While exercises may give adversaries information they can use to challenge U.S. space capabilities, that risk must be balanced against the fact that capabilities that are untested, unknown or unproven cannot be expected to deter. A policy of deterrence would need to be extended to U.S. allies and friends, consistent with U.S. treaty obligations and U.S. interests. In the case of NATO, the U.S. might consider whether a planning group should be formed to develop a common appreciation of the threats, discuss potential responses and consult on the formulation of alliance policy and plans to deter and defend against threats from space. Only by extensive prior consultation, planning and appropriate exercises will the U.S. have the cooperation it would need in a crisis. From agzak@concentric.net Tue Jan 23 16:52:03 2001 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:52:03 -0500 From: Anatoly Zak agzak@concentric.net Subject: [FPSPACE] Okos in Air et Cosmos --------------6E0B9ECFA62D76B213B1A7B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, this is wrong, they are going to re-print my photo, which I've already published on my web site here: http://russianspaceweb.com/spacecraft_military.html They got my permission, but I did not know they were going to claim that. -- Anatoly Zak RussianSpaceWeb.com Phillip Clark wrote: > Does anyone have an e-mail address for the French publication Air et > Cosmos, please ? > > I have just seen a copy of the January 19th, 2001 edition which includes > what they claim to be the _first_ photograph to be published of an Oko > satellite. > > The truth is that - thanks to Bert Vis' camera - the first photo of an Oko > actually appeared last month in my Oko review carried by the January 2001 > Jane's Intelligence Review, and therefore the French claim is demonstrably > wrong. > > I do not expect that Air and Cosmos will print a retraction for their > claim, but I certainly wish to register a protest ! > > Phillip Clark > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Phillip S Clark 22 Winterbourne Close > Molniya Space Consultancy Hastings > Compiler/Publisher, Worldwide Satellite Launches E Sussex TN34 1XG > U.K. > > Specialist in "space archeology" - the older and more obscure the more > interesting it is ! > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > FPSPACE mailing list > FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace --------------6E0B9ECFA62D76B213B1A7B2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, this is wrong, they are going to re-print my photo, which I've already published on my web site here:

http://russianspaceweb.com/spacecraft_military.html
 

They got my permission, but I did not know they were going to claim that.

-- Anatoly Zak
RussianSpaceWeb.com
 

Phillip Clark wrote:

Does anyone have an e-mail address for the French publication Air et
Cosmos, please ?

I have just seen a copy of the January 19th, 2001 edition which includes
what they claim to be the _first_ photograph to be published of an Oko
satellite.

The truth is that - thanks to Bert Vis' camera - the first photo of an Oko
actually appeared last month in my Oko review carried by the January 2001
Jane's Intelligence Review, and therefore the French claim is demonstrably
wrong.

I do not expect that Air and Cosmos will print a retraction for their
claim, but I certainly wish to register a protest !

Phillip Clark

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Molniya Space Consultancy                           Hastings
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  --------------6E0B9ECFA62D76B213B1A7B2-- From dave.woods@lmco.com Tue Jan 23 17:05:14 2001 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:05:14 -0500 From: Woods, Dave dave.woods@lmco.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Okos in Air et Cosmos Take a look at the last picture at this site: http://picturebank.euroavia.org/moscow/lavochkin/lavochkin-e.html It shows the OKO at Lavochkin, in among the other exhibits. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dwayne Allen Day [SMTP:wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:34 AM > To: Phillip Clark > Cc: FPSPACE > Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Okos in Air et Cosmos > > > On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Phillip Clark wrote: > > > I have just seen a copy of the January 19th, 2001 edition which includes > > what they claim to be the _first_ photograph to be published of an Oko > > satellite. > > > > The truth is that - thanks to Bert Vis' camera - the first photo of an > Oko > > actually appeared last month in my Oko review carried by the January > 2001 > > Jane's Intelligence Review, and therefore the French claim is > demonstrably > > wrong. > > Someone posted a URL on this list years ago showing a really nice picture > of an Oko in storage. I forget the details. > > > > DDAY > > _______________________________________________ > FPSPACE mailing list > FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace From robot@ultimax.com Tue Jan 23 17:13:26 2001 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:13:26 -0400 From: Robert G Kennedy III robot@ultimax.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: kvetching DDAY kvetched: >piddling sum from book sales. I think that my total royalties to date on the >book we did for Smithsonian Press have been about $6K, and that was for about >a year of work. There are only two ways to write in the academic realm and >not die of starvation. One is to supplement your work with a fellowship or >grant, and the other is to have another, nearly fulltime job. I imagine bank >robbery would also work, but I haven't looked into it too deeply. Ditto on these numbers for small commercial press, too. My friends and I were more-or-less forced to branch out into the much-more-in-demand and highly lucrative field of web security/counter-cracking. In a way, that cultural revolution occurring out there in Silicon Valley is underwriting a small part of this obscure field. This must be satisfying on some level, or I wouldn't continue to do it. I gave away *lots* of free copies of our CD-ROM when there was a legitimate critical or promotional purpose. Many people on this list spent their hard-earned cash to buy one, even though they struggle as much as we have, for which I offer heartfelt thanks. I'm inordinately proud of our small, but distinguished customer list. However, I've also had quite a few cheeky demands for free "evaluation" copies which I find highly irksome. I'm sure every author on this list would agree. One such fellow, who never produced *#%! in the way of a review, had the effrontery to bamboozle my partner at a trade show out of a free copy "to see if it's any good or not". Wonderful British expression, "cheeky". >Asif just isn't human. We're guessing he's from a small planet near >Betelgeuse... LOL. Reminds me of how other Manhattan Project physicists referred to the seven inhumanly talented Hungarian emigres (von Karman, de Hevesy, Polyani, Szilard, Wigner, von Neumann, Teller) who came over during the interwar years: "the men from Mars". [As related in Rhodes, /The Making of the Atomic Bomb/, pg 104 et seq.] -- Robert Kennedy, PE http://www.ultimax.com From robot@ultimax.com Tue Jan 23 17:17:50 2001 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:17:50 -0400 From: Robert G Kennedy III robot@ultimax.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: recycling space assets [Was: Mir] >Why would NASA treat it any differently? IUE (history) and GRO (refurbish >and refly) would have been worth bringing back and it still could nto be >justified to spend the money. I really doubt if NASA owened MIR it would be >any different. Agreed (on IUE, anyway. I dunno about Compton.) In 1994, I had a number of meetings over this exact issue with Yoji Kondo, the principal investigator of the IUE project out of Goddard SFC. NASA shut that bird down in 1995, even though it was perfectly functional and was returning good science data. They did it because they were unwilling to pay approx $4M per yer (IIRC, it may have been less than that) for grad students to crunch the data. Typically stupid capital vs. operations decision. Sometimes NASA management reminds me of real estate developers, who'd rather tear down perfectly servicable old buildings, or dig up virgin land, rather than make an existing asset work. That's because developers make their living by commission off large principal transactions, not off the income stream from a successful project. What's good for the larger community just isn't considered. Maybe I'm just cheap. (I know I'm a major pack rat.) NASA wants to dump billions into this ridiculous new Space Launch Initiative, even though they and their passive-aggressive contractors couldn't make the previous initiative (X-33 et al) work. Meanwhile, really important science missions are being forced into an artificial competition (Pluto Kuiper Express vs. Europa Orbiter) for the lack of a couple hundred million. News flash: SLI will *never* work with the current gang doing the work. Better to give the money to other projects which can use it. -- Robert Kennedy, PE http://www.ultimax.com From jfoust@alum.mit.edu Tue Jan 23 18:43:52 2001 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:43:52 -0500 From: Jeff Foust jfoust@alum.mit.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: recycling space assets [Was: Mir] > Agreed (on IUE, anyway. I dunno about Compton.) > > In 1994, I had a number of meetings over this exact issue with Yoji Kondo, > the principal investigator of the IUE project out of Goddard SFC. NASA shut > that bird down in 1995, even though it was perfectly functional and was > returning good science data. They did it because they were unwilling to pay > approx $4M per yer (IIRC, it may have been less than that) for grad > students to crunch the data. Typically stupid capital vs. operations > decision. Actually, ESA picked up the bill for one more year of IUE operations after NASA terminated its involvement with the mission. By the time ESA terminated the mission for good in August 1996 IUE was in pretty bad shape, with only one of its original six gyros working. Not bad for a spacecraft that exceeded its three-year mission by a factor of six! Jeff Foust jfoust@alum.mit.edu From davida@cwo.com Tue Jan 23 18:58:56 2001 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:58:56 -0800 From: David Anderman davida@cwo.com Subject: [FPSPACE] NASA recycling of space assets A fundamental reason why NASA chooses to *not* recycle spacecraft after their nominal end of mission is that a primary focus of space science programs is the development of new technology. Once that technology has been proven out during a nominal mission, much of the institutional interest in the spacecraft and the program disappears. In fact, the existence of the spacecraft may be a barrier to funding of the next phase of the program, an enhanced or second generation version. A cynical observer might observe that the actual science is simply an excuse to develop the new technology, especially since the budgets for processing science data is often 1 percent of the program cost. From robert.c.dempsey1@jsc.nasa.gov Tue Jan 23 19:24:49 2001 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:24:49 -0600 From: DEMPSEY, ROBERT C. (JSC-DF25) robert.c.dempsey1@jsc.nasa.gov Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: recycling space assets [Was: Mir] Having been an active researcher with IUE I have to disagree with your assessment that it was perfectly functional. Yes, you could do some science. But the quality was getting pretty low. HST far surpassed it. But because IUE was of lower quality you could get some basic projects that would not get time on the tight HST. At its death, you were in a regime of diminishing returns. I had to agree the money was better spent. And I am a UV astronomer! If you somehow got it back - its technology was so old you would have to build a whole new spacecraft - you could not refurbish it. Actually, I now recall its orbit was not accessible with shuttle anyway. -----Original Message----- From: Robert G Kennedy III [mailto:robot@ultimax.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 11:18 AM To: fpspace@friends-partners.org Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: recycling space assets [Was: Mir] >Why would NASA treat it any differently? IUE (history) and GRO (refurbish >and refly) would have been worth bringing back and it still could nto be >justified to spend the money. I really doubt if NASA owened MIR it would be >any different. Agreed (on IUE, anyway. I dunno about Compton.) In 1994, I had a number of meetings over this exact issue with Yoji Kondo, the principal investigator of the IUE project out of Goddard SFC. NASA shut that bird down in 1995, even though it was perfectly functional and was returning good science data. They did it because they were unwilling to pay approx $4M per yer (IIRC, it may have been less than that) for grad students to crunch the data. Typically stupid capital vs. operations decision. Sometimes NASA management reminds me of real estate developers, who'd rather tear down perfectly servicable old buildings, or dig up virgin land, rather than make an existing asset work. That's because developers make their living by commission off large principal transactions, not off the income stream from a successful project. What's good for the larger community just isn't considered. Maybe I'm just cheap. (I know I'm a major pack rat.) NASA wants to dump billions into this ridiculous new Space Launch Initiative, even though they and their passive-aggressive contractors couldn't make the previous initiative (X-33 et al) work. Meanwhile, really important science missions are being forced into an artificial competition (Pluto Kuiper Express vs. Europa Orbiter) for the lack of a couple hundred million. News flash: SLI will *never* work with the current gang doing the work. Better to give the money to other projects which can use it. -- Robert Kennedy, PE http://www.ultimax.com _______________________________________________ FPSPACE mailing list FPSPACE@friends-partners.org http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace From svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Tue Jan 23 19:54:41 2001 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:54:41 +0100 From: Sven Grahn svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Subject: [FPSPACE] Where to find Igor Lissov? Does anyone know his e-mail address? Or a person to relay messages through? Sven ---------------------------------------------------- Mr Sven Grahn | Kettering Group Rattviksvagen 44, S-192 71 Sollentuna, Sweden Tel: +46 8 7541904, svengrahn@wineasy.se http://www.users.wineasy.se/svengrahn/ ---------------------------------------------------- From svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Tue Jan 23 19:55:21 2001 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:55:21 +0100 From: Sven Grahn svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Subject: [FPSPACE] (no subject) REVIEW FPSPACE From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Wed Jan 24 00:32:16 2001 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:32:16 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] NASA recycling of space assets On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, David Anderman wrote: > A fundamental reason why NASA chooses to *not* recycle spacecraft after > their nominal end of mission is that a primary focus of space science > programs is the development of new technology. Once that technology has > A cynical observer might observe that the actual science is simply an > excuse to develop the new technology, especially since the budgets for > processing science data is often 1 percent of the program cost. I'd agree in general on this, but split on the particulars. Over the years, NASA has shown two tendencies when it comes to space. The first is a bias toward engineering over science. They like to build things, preferably BIG things. This explains the ISS in many ways. There is a reason why ISS is so big and complicated and that is in part because NASA engineers think that big complicated things are fun and exciting and interesting. Simply doing the same old thing a little better is not as much fun. (This explains why NASA was enthusiastic about shuttle as opposed to continuing with the Saturn V--the shuttle was a new engineering project.) Ask yourself why ISS is the way it is and not more like the early Salyuts, or the Mir approach (which I think made more sense from lots of angles). The second bias is toward satisfying NASA's internal scientific constituencies as opposed to external constituencies. This was a major criticism of the early Earth Observing System. Critics charged that the science that EOS did was interesting not to climatologists, but to NASA scientists. It was only after much of this criticism was aired on the Hill in the early 1990s that the program was changed. A similar thing happened with the TIROS weather satellite in the early 1960s. The Weather Bureau wanted an operational satellite for looking for hurricanes and things like that. NASA wanted a scientific satellite to look at things like atmospheric physics. Ultimately, the Weather Bureau defected and went to the Air Force to get its design for a next generation satellite (TIROS IX). NASA built Nimbus, which was a scientific satellite, not a weather satellite. And, yes, it does happen that data processing gets the short end of the stick on a lot of missions. But this doesn't always happen, and usually the reality is pretty complicated. For instance, NASA looked long and hard before shutting down the instruments on the moon. And they did some clever work with the Galileo extended mission (Galileo should have been shut down by now). I'm sure there are people on the list a lot more knowledgeable about the data processing end of NASA space science missions than I am, so I'm willing to be corrected. DDAY From kgottschalk@uwc.ac.za Wed Jan 24 11:32:56 2001 Date: 24 Jan 2001 13:32:56 +0200 From: Keith Gottschalk kgottschalk@uwc.ac.za Subject: [FPSPACE] royalties around the launchpad >'tis true. In the case of government-printed books (like our Exploring the >Unknown series or Asif's Challenge to Apollo), the author usually gets a >number of free copies. But that number is *never* as many as the author would >like to send out to the people who helped, and certainly not enough to cover >free copies to anyone who requests one. And sometimes the author gets _many_ >requests for free copies. [ ... ] >And in all these cases for academic books, the author is usually making only a >piddling sum from book sales. I think that my total royalties to date on the >book we did for Smithsonian Press have been about $6K, and that was for about >a year of work. & the natural sciences & engineering are the least worst off. Publishers of political science or poetry here in the third world, will give you between one to six free copies. If you are lucky enough to be accepted for publication. If you are not lucky, they will ask you to give advance written commitment about how many hundred or thousand you will prescribe to classes, or get a sponsorship for book costs yourself, >>By the way, it is simply >>remarkable to me that Asif Saddiqi was able to write such an awesomely >>complete and analytically perceptive book as CHALLENGE TO APOLLO without >>making a single trip to Russia! >Asif just isn't human. We're guessing he's from a small planet near >Betelgeuse... Actually it's a small planet near Bangladesh < grin > Did someone not claim in print in this forum that it took Asif SIXTEEN YEARS labour of love to complete his magnum opus? And he doesn't even get a free return ticket & admission to one of those annual Bauman University workshops? Few historians with tenured university positions manage work of this depth & length, & they are the only ones society subsidises for curiosity research. From raoul.lannoy@pandora.be Thu Jan 25 06:52:01 2001 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:52:01 +0100 From: Raoul Lannoy raoul.lannoy@pandora.be Subject: Fw: [FPSPACE] Mir in the Moon Hello, Apparently, on another list (to which I don't belong), I'm the guy who takes the video, together with my comments about the real Mir in the Moon sighting. I Did Not Take this Video !!!!! I did see Mir cross the Moon (or rather it dissapeared in the glare) but the video is most definitely of a bird crossing the Moon, not a satellite. A satellite crosses the Moon in just about one second. Raoul > >Looks like it's far too slow to be a satellite. >Besides, it's not regular. >Looks like a bird or a flying piece of paper. > >Raoul > > >>I am very curious to know what object is zipping in >>front of the Moon in this video image: >> >>http://www.astrovid.com/images/Multimedia/satdong.rm >> >>The Web page it comes from: >> >>http://www.astrovid.com/Astrovid%20Multimedia%20pages.htm From davida@cwo.com Thu Jan 25 18:27:18 2001 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:27:18 -0800 From: David Anderman davida@cwo.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Progress M-43 Quick question: when Progress M-43 detached from Mir last night, why didn't it take Kvant-1 with it? David Anderman From agzak@concentric.net Thu Jan 25 18:44:41 2001 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:44:41 -0500 From: Anatoly Zak agzak@concentric.net Subject: [FPSPACE] Progress M-43 --------------8DB415EB06D8AC82DB69C8AA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If this is not a joke question, Kvant-1 is completely integrated with Mir, with numerous cables going through the hatches to the core. It also carries six gyrodines for attitude control. -- Anatoly Zak RussianSpaceWeb.com David Anderman wrote: > Quick question: when Progress M-43 detached from Mir last night, why didn't > it take Kvant-1 with it? > > David Anderman > > _______________________________________________ > FPSPACE mailing list > FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace --------------8DB415EB06D8AC82DB69C8AA Content-Type: text/html; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If this is not a joke question, Kvant-1 is completely integrated with Mir, with numerous cables going through the hatches to the core. It also carries six gyrodines for attitude control.

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Quick question: when Progress M-43 detached from Mir last night, why didn't
it take Kvant-1 with it?

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  --------------8DB415EB06D8AC82DB69C8AA-- From davida@cwo.com Thu Jan 25 18:56:23 2001 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:56:23 -0800 From: David Anderman davida@cwo.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Progress M-43 Anatoly: Thanks for the answer - I was thinking that the last crew may have disconnected the internal cables, but I guess not. So, how does the ISS SM manage to maintain attitude control without so many girodines? David Anderman At 01:44 PM 1/25/2001 -0500, Anatoly Zak wrote: >If this is not a joke question, Kvant-1 is completely integrated with Mir, >with numerous cables going through the hatches to the core. It also >carries six gyrodines for attitude control. From agzak@concentric.net Thu Jan 25 21:24:05 2001 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:24:05 -0500 From: Anatoly Zak agzak@concentric.net Subject: [FPSPACE] Progress M-43 --------------494FF1520AF4A2342C71812B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are also girodines on the ISS, they are part of the US segment. Remember Z-truss delivery last year. That's them among other things. Anatoly David Anderman wrote: > Anatoly: > > Thanks for the answer - I was thinking that the last crew may have > disconnected the internal cables, but I guess not. > > So, how does the ISS SM manage to maintain attitude control without so many > girodines? > > David Anderman > > At 01:44 PM 1/25/2001 -0500, Anatoly Zak wrote: > >If this is not a joke question, Kvant-1 is completely integrated with Mir, > >with numerous cables going through the hatches to the core. It also > >carries six gyrodines for attitude control. > > _______________________________________________ > FPSPACE mailing list > FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace -- Anatoly Zak RussianSpaceWeb.com --------------494FF1520AF4A2342C71812B Content-Type: text/html; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are also girodines on the ISS, they are part of the US segment. Remember Z-truss delivery last year. That's them among other things.

Anatoly

David Anderman wrote:

Anatoly:

Thanks for the answer - I was thinking that the last crew may have
disconnected the internal cables, but I guess not.

So, how does the ISS SM manage to maintain attitude control without so many
girodines?

David Anderman

At 01:44 PM 1/25/2001 -0500, Anatoly Zak wrote:
>If this is not a joke question, Kvant-1 is completely integrated with Mir,
>with numerous cables going through the hatches to the core. It also
>carries six gyrodines for attitude control.

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  --------------494FF1520AF4A2342C71812B-- From davida@cwo.com Thu Jan 25 21:38:26 2001 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:38:26 -0800 From: David Anderman davida@cwo.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Progress M-43 I vaguely remember this, but don't recall where the extra girodines are installed. Are they controlling the SM attitude from the Z1 truss? Or were they moved elsewhere? David Anderman At 04:24 PM 1/25/2001 -0500, Anatoly Zak wrote: >There are also girodines on the ISS, they are part of the US segment. >Remember Z-truss delivery last year. That's them among other things. > >Anatoly > >David Anderman wrote: >> >>So, how does the ISS SM manage to maintain attitude control without so many >>girodines? From lklaes@bbn.com Fri Jan 26 14:56:46 2001 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:56:46 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] The Planet Mercury is getting attention on an international scale Headline: Mercury Byline: Peter N. Spotts Date: 01/18/2001 Mercury, the Rodney Dangerfield of planets, is finally getting respect. For some 25 years, the tiny planet could light a fire under only a handful of solar-system scientists. After Mariner 10's three fly-bys in the mid-1970s, many astronomers dismissed the planet as too boring - too much like Earth's moon to be worth the price of an orbiter. Now, however, Mercury's stock is rising. Last fall, the European Space Agency approved an ambitious 2009 mission - a pair of orbiters and a surface probe - to study the first rock from the sun. The United States is building a Mercury orbiter for launch in 2004. And Japan hopes to launch its own Mercury mission in 2005. Click here to e-mail this story to a friend: http://www.csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/send-story?2001/01/18/text/p15s1.txt Click here to read this story online: http://www.csmonitor.com/durable/2001/01/18/fp15s1-csm.shtml From lklaes@bbn.com Fri Jan 26 19:54:41 2001 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:54:41 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Fifteenth Anniversary of Voyager 2 flyby of Uranus in 1986 The first unmanned space probe flyby in history of the planet Uranus by Voyager 2 on January 24, 1986 should have been an exciting one in the history of planetary exploration: * Uranus was the first planet discovered by humans not thousands of years before written history and civilization, but in relatively moderns times - on March 13, 1781 by German musician turned English astronomer William Herschel, to be exact. I know others may have viewed Uranus telescopically before Herschel, be he was the first one to figure out that it was a planet and not a comet or star. Theoretically one could see Uranus with unaided vision from Earth, but it would have been too dim for our ancestors to really notice it, even in their non-light polluted night skies (at least none ever said they did that made it to our time). * Uranus was later found to be a world tipped on its side compared to the rest of the known planets in the Sol system. Only later did astronomers learn that Pluto was tipped even moreso on its side and Venus was knocked all the way around from our perspective. With an axial tilt of almost 98 degrees (compare this to Earth's 23.5 degree tilt), Uranus' poles spend roughly half their time in the planet's 84-year solar orbit either in constant darkness or light. * The discovery of a ring system around Uranus in 1977 gave the first real evidence that, rather than being unique to Saturn, ring systems around Jovian worlds are probably common. Indeed, the next few years - thanks to the Voyager probes - would show that these rings were indeed standard features for all of the gas giant planets of our Sol system. * The five known moons of Uranus were virtually unknown little worlds, but after the Voyager probes' experiences with the exciting satellites of Jupiter and Saturn from 1979 through 1981, it was assumed they too would hold exciting new surprises for us. * Voyager 2 was not meant to visit Uranus after Saturn, having already come from a scaled-down version of the Grand Tour of the outer planets. However, since Voyager 1 did make it to Saturn and perform a close examination of its largest moon Titan, Voyager 2 was given the go-ahead to Uranus and eventually Neptune in 1989 (it should be noted that Voyager 2 also survived being shut off in 1981 to allegedly save some bucks by the Reagan Administration, I kid you not). So with this rare bonus in hand, scientists were most eager to get their first close-up views of this bizarre alien world way out in the outer Sol system. But fate likes to play games with human expectations, and the Universe itself certainly does not cater to our wants and desires. The Voyager 2 mission to Uranus did go off as planned, but its two main problems had nothing to do with the space probe itself: * Uranus itself did not turn out to be as "exciting" as the other two previously explored Jovian worlds, Jupiter and Saturn. The clouds were a bland and featureless shade of blue. The rings were dark and thin. The moons did not look much different from the other icy satellites of Jupiter and especially Saturn. Miranda was the only real exception, looking like a world that had been literally torn apart and smashed back together, complete with 20-kilometer high sheer ice cliffs. One would think that exploring any new world for the first time in what was (and still is) the early days of our testing the waters of deep space would be exciting enough, but somehow the public and press had gotten spoiled by the amazing wonders at Jupiter and Saturn (not to mention many space-based science fiction flicks), and Uranus was just not cutting the bill, even if it was tipped on its side. * The other deflecting event took place just four days after Voyager 2's closest flyby: The Space Shuttle Challenger 51-L mission ended tragically before it could even get into Earth orbit, where a leak in a solid rocket booster acted like a torch on the external fuel tank and caused it to explode, turning the shuttle into scrap metal and killing the seven astronauts onboard - one of whom was going to be the first teacher in space. This flight alone killed more astronauts than all previous manned space tragedies combined: The lone cosmonaut of Soyuz 1 in 1967 and the three cosmonauts of Soyuz 11 who had just returned from a thirty-day stay on the Soviet Salyut 1 space station in June of 1971 (the three astronauts of the Apollo 1 crew were killed in a fire during a ground test in 1967). Needless to say, the press attention almost immediately evaporated from the lone space robot and the dull world it had been monitoring over two billion kilometers away to Cape Canaveral and NASA and did not come back. Despite all this negativity from the general human perspective towards the Voyager 2 Uranus encounter, many new and important items were learned about this new world. Among them was the discovery of ten new moons circling the planet, a powerful magnetic field tipped sixty degrees to the planet's axis, and strong evidence that the outer Sol system went through a very violent period of collisions with other celestial bodies in the early days of our system's creation, judging by what happened to Uranus' moons and the planet itself, having been knocked completely on its side. While Voyager 2 certainly did give us more information on Uranus than all previous Earth-based studies combined, no quick flyby can do what an orbiting probe can, as Galileo has certainly shown with Jupiter since 1995 and Cassini will with Saturn starting in 2004. Though I would certainly like to be proven wrong here, there are no serious plans to orbit or even visit Uranus again any time soon. For more on the Voyager 2 mission to Uranus, read here: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/calendar/vgr_ura.html For more on the Voyager probes, go here and scroll down a bit for the Uranus encounter information: http://vraptor.jpl.nasa.gov/voyager/voyager.html Web sites on Uranus: http://www.seds.org/billa/tnp/uranus.html http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/planets/uranuspage.html From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Fri Jan 26 21:27:22 2001 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:27:22 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Putin on Russian Space >From MSNBC.com: Russias president slams space effort Vladimir Putin warns that achievements of the past are being squandered ASSOCIATED PRESSMOSCOW, Jan. 25 Even as ground controllers prepared to dump Russias Mir space station, President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that Russia had to reinvigorate its battered space program or risk losing all that had been achieved by the Soviet and Russian space efforts. Putin, speaking at a meeting of the advisory Security Council about the space program, took officials to task, saying they had achieved only 40 percent of the five-year program for 1996-2000. Track Mir's positionIt would be unforgivable thoughtlessness to lose the achievement of previous generations, he said. Neither the civilian nor the military sides have anything to brag about. The Soviet Union beat the United States into space with the first artificial satellite and manned flight, and pioneered long-term space flight with the Salyut and Mir space stations. But since the Soviet collapse, money troubles have humbled the program. Delays on Russias part in the 16-nation Space Station Alpha set the stations construction back more than two years. Two cosmonauts joined the first permanent crew, currently aboard. Putin also announced a reorganization of military space efforts, with the space forces to be split from the strategic rocket forces that oversee Russias nuclear weapons, the Interfax news agency reported. From svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Sat Jan 27 07:36:56 2001 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 08:36:56 +0100 From: Sven Grahn svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Subject: [FPSPACE] Has the Progress docked to Mir? I picked up signals at 0657.40-0700.00 UT on 166 MHz and 922.75 MHz, but it is not possible to say if the signals were from Mir or Progress. ITAR-TASS says that the docking was planned for 0531 UT this morning. It is now 0734 UT and nothing has been heard from any media bout the docking. Did it happen?? Sven P.S.: BBC's news website says the docking occured. ---------------------------------------------------- Mr Sven Grahn | Kettering Group Rattviksvagen 44, S-192 71 Sollentuna, Sweden Tel: +46 8 7541904, svengrahn@wineasy.se http://www.users.wineasy.se/svengrahn/ ---------------------------------------------------- From satcom@cybase.co.uk Sat Jan 27 12:17:50 2001 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 12:17:50 -0000 From: John locker satcom@cybase.co.uk Subject: [FPSPACE] (no subject) subscribe fpspace satcom From agzak@concentric.net Sat Jan 27 13:06:57 2001 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 08:06:57 -0500 From: Anatoly Zak agzak@concentric.net Subject: [FPSPACE] Has the Progress docked to Mir? --------------BF5005816EF7B442FFE5E9C4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sven: It did occurred at 8:34 Moscow (three minutes late): http://www.russianspaceweb.com -- Anatoly Zak RussianSpaceWeb.com Sven Grahn wrote: > I picked up signals at 0657.40-0700.00 UT on 166 MHz and 922.75 MHz, but it > is not possible to say if the signals were from Mir or Progress. ITAR-TASS > says that the docking was planned for 0531 UT this morning. It is now 0734 > UT and nothing has been heard from any media bout the docking. Did it happen?? > > Sven > > P.S.: BBC's news website says the docking occured. > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Mr Sven Grahn | Kettering Group > Rattviksvagen 44, S-192 71 Sollentuna, Sweden > Tel: +46 8 7541904, svengrahn@wineasy.se > http://www.users.wineasy.se/svengrahn/ > ---------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > FPSPACE mailing list > FPSPACE@friends-partners.org > http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace -- Anatoly Zak RussianSpaceWeb.com --------------BF5005816EF7B442FFE5E9C4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sven:

It did occurred at 8:34 Moscow (three minutes late): http://www.russianspaceweb.com

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Sven Grahn wrote:

I picked up signals at 0657.40-0700.00 UT on 166 MHz and 922.75 MHz, but it
is not possible to say if the signals were from Mir or Progress. ITAR-TASS
says that the docking was planned for 0531 UT this morning. It is now 0734
UT and nothing has been heard from any media bout the docking. Did it happen??

Sven

P.S.: BBC's news website says the docking occured.

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  --------------BF5005816EF7B442FFE5E9C4-- From combatsent@qwest.net Sat Jan 27 13:31:06 2001 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:31:06 +0000 From: combatsent@qwest.net combatsent@qwest.net Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: [HearSat-L] Has the Progress docked to Mir? DEORBITING TUG ARRIVES AT SPACE STATION MIR ------------------------------------------- After a three-day chase, an unmanned cargo ship successfully reached Russia's space station Mir today, becoming most likely the last arrival from Earth to the outpost. The Progress M1-5 spacecraft, carrying propellant for Mir's deorbiting, docked to the station at 0534 GMT (12:34 a.m. EST). http://spaceflightnow.com/mir/010127dock/ I subscribe to this list and it is the best one that I know about to keep in touch with SPACE NEWS! Sven Grahn wrote: > I picked up signals at 0657.40-0700.00 UT on 166 MHz and 922.75 MHz, but it > is not possible to say if the signals were from Mir or Progress. ITAR-TASS > says that the docking was planned for 0531 UT this morning. It is now 0734 > UT and nothing has been heard from any media bout the docking. Did it happen?? > > Sven > > P.S.: BBC's news website says the docking occured. > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Mr Sven Grahn | Kettering Group > Rattviksvagen 44, S-192 71 Sollentuna, Sweden > Tel: +46 8 7541904, svengrahn@wineasy.se > http://www.users.wineasy.se/svengrahn/ > ---------------------------------------------------- > > A d m i n : {Posting address: HearSat-L@qth.net | Sub/unsub: www.qth.net} > {Website: www.hearsat.org | Requests: owner-hearsat-l@qth.net} ****** -- Bill Boltinghouse ex-USAF Security Service 301x3 & 328x3 In-Flight Electronic Warfare Repairman EC-47 * RC-130BII * RC-135 EC-47 History (Vietnam ARDF Mission) http://www.ec47.com/ QTH: Council Bluffs Iowa --- 12 miles north of Offutt AFB http://combatsent.users3.50megs.com/ All web sites are linked! From robot@ultimax.com Sat Jan 27 21:35:09 2001 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 17:35:09 -0400 From: Robert G Kennedy III robot@ultimax.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: Uranus; recycling Larry Klaes posted: >astronomer William Herschel, to be exact. I know >others may have viewed Uranus telescopically before >Herschel, be he was the first one to figure out >that it was a planet and not a comet or star. Yes, the Briton John Bevis in 1750, among others, observe Uranus well enough to catalog it. It's pretty certain he knew what he was seeing, but not why he failed to publish. See http://catalog.com/ultimax/urangraf.html -- Re: recycling of space assets, Jeff Foust wrote: >Actually, ESA picked up the bill for one more year of IUE operations >after NASA terminated its involvement with the mission. By the time >ESA terminated the mission for good in August 1996 IUE was in pretty >bad shape, with only one of its original six gyros working. Not bad >for a spacecraft that exceeded its three-year mission by a factor of >six! and Robert Dempsey wrote: >Having been an active researcher with IUE I have to disagree with your >assessment that it was perfectly functional. Yes, you could do some >science. But the quality was getting pretty low. HST far surpassed it. >But because IUE was of lower quality you could get some basic projects that >would not get time on the tight HST. At its death, you were in a regime of >diminishing returns. I had to agree the money was better spent. And I am a >UV astronomer! I stand corrected. However, I do recall someone telling me that IUE could be operated with just one gyro - that previous graceful failures had given them time to learn. Isn't SOHO being operated with fewer (perhaps none) gyros? -- Robert Kennedy, PE http://www.ultimax.com From jcm@head-cfa.harvard.edu Sat Jan 27 22:46:00 2001 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 17:46:00 -0500 (EST) From: Jonathan McDowell jcm@head-cfa.harvard.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Re: IUE recycling > [can't you use IUE on one (or no) gyros Sure, but that wasn't the only problem. The star tracker was rather sick, if I recall, making it hard to find a good guide star to point with. And there were starting to be other problems with the spacecraft. I think one could argue that a few more months would have been worth doing, but IUE was definitely not in good shape. It was a very different situation from GRO/BATSE and EUVE. (my colleagues and I were using IUE late in its life, and it was definitely starting to get to the point where we decided not to bother applying for time because it was so broken). - Jonathan McDowell From raoul.lannoy@pandora.be Sun Jan 28 18:48:51 2001 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:48:51 +0100 From: Raoul Lannoy raoul.lannoy@pandora.be Subject: [FPSPACE] Fw: Animation Flash : Mir Hello, I was wondering whether this site had ever been proposed (about Mir et al): >> http://www.russianspaceweb.com/ >> http://www.russianspaceweb.com/mir.html Raoul From tonyq@another.com Sun Jan 28 23:32:54 2001 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:32:54 +0000 (GMT+00:00) From: tonyq@another.com tonyq@another.com Subject: [FPSPACE] re Female Cosmonauts --17944415.980724774628.JavaMail.nobody@www-a21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a note to remind eveyone that the Female Cosmonaut Group @ Yahoo is now a month old. We have sixty members, 10,000 hits and over 60 images of the female cosmonaut teams, including some very rare views. Anyone interested should take a look at http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/femalecosmonauts TonyQ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Leave Hotmail's problems behind, join another.com at http://another.com/jump.jsp?destDesc=another.com/login.jsp?sig=666 --17944415.980724774628.JavaMail.nobody@www-a21-- From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Mon Jan 29 06:04:04 2001 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:04:04 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] US wargames space This is a pretty darned interesting article. Worth reading. DDAY ***************************************************************** http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58813-2001Jan28.html Space Is Playing Field For Newest War Game Air Force Exercise Shows Shift in Focus By Thomas E. Ricks Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, January 29, 2001; Page A01 SCHRIEVER AIR FORCE BASE, Colo. -- Last week, the possibility of war in space moved from pure science fiction created in Hollywood to realistic planning done here by the Air Force. Spurred by the increased reliance of the U.S. military and the U.S. economy on satellites, and facing a new secretary of defense, Donald H. Rumsfeld, who is more focused on space than his predecessors were, the Air Force's Space Warfare Center here staged the military's first major war game to focus on space as the primary theater of operations, rather than just a supporting arena for combat on earth. The scenario was growing tension between the United States and China in 2017. "We never really play space," Maj. Gen. William R. Looney III said. "The purpose of this game was to focus on how we really would act in space." The unprecedented game, involving 250 participants playing for five days on an isolated, super-secure base on the high plains east of Colorado Springs, was the most visible manifestation of a little-noticed but major shift in the armed forces over the last decade. The Gulf War showed the U.S. military for the first time how important space could be to its combat operations -- for communications, for the transmission of imagery and even for using global positioning satellites to tell ground troops where they are. The end of the Cold War allowed many satellites to be shifted from being used primarily for monitoring Soviet nuclear facilities to supporting the field operations of the U.S. military. But military thinkers began to worry that this new reliance on space was creating new vulnerabilities. Suddenly, one of the best ways to disrupt a U.S. offensive against Iraq, for example, appeared to be jamming the satellites on which the Americans relied or blowing up the ground station back in the United States that controlled the satellites transmitting targeting data. [Note: The US was well aware of this during the Gulf War. I've got declassified documents mentioning the various types of potential jamming threats to US satellites during the war. And the primary reason that coalition aircraft took out the Kuwaiti Intelsat ground station was to prevent it from being used to jam our satellites. DDAY] In response, the Air Force over the last year focused more on space -- not just how to operate there, but how to protect operations and attack others in space. It established a new "space operations directorate" at Air Force headquarters, started a new Space Warfare School and activated two new units: the 76th Space Control Squadron, whose name is really a euphemism for fighting in space, and the 527th Space Aggressor Squadron, whose mission is to probe the U.S. military for new vulnerabilities. All those steps come as Rumsfeld, who just finished leading a congressional commission on space and national security issues, takes over the top job at the Pentagon. Among other things, his commission's report hinted that if the Air Force doesn't get more serious about space, the Pentagon should consider establishing a new "Space Corps." So, perhaps to show that it is giving space its due, the Air Force held its first space war game here, and even invited reporters inside for a few hours. The players worked in a huge building behind two sets of security checkpoints, the second of which features two motion detectors, four surveillance cameras and a double-fenced gate with a "vehicle entrapment area." Yet officials were notably jumpy about discussing specifics with the reporters they brought in. "We're doing something a little unprecedented, bringing press into the middle of a classified war game," said Col. Robert E. Ryals, deputy commander of the Space Warfare Center here. The U.S. military has a long tradition of conducting war games, not so much to predict whether a war will occur, but to figure out how to use new weapons, how to best organize the military and how political considerations might shape the conduct of war. After World War II, Adm. Chester W. Nimitz commented that the war in the Pacific had been gamed so frequently at the Naval War College during the 1930s that "nothing that happened during the war was a surprise -- absolutely nothing except the kamikaze tactics towards the end of the war. We had not visualized these." Last week's space war game was set in 2017, with country "Red" massing its forces for a possible attack on its small neighbor, "Brown," which then asked "Blue" for help. Officials described "Red" only as a "near-peer competitor," but participants said Red was China and Blue was the United States. When asked directly about this, Lt. Col. Donald Miles, an Air Force spokesman, said, "We don't talk about countries." Going with the conventional wisdom in the U.S. military, the game assumed that the heavens will be full of weapons by 2017. Both Red and Blue possessed microsatellites that can maneuver against other satellites, blocking their view, jamming their transmissions or even frying their electronics with radiation. Both also had ground-based lasers that could temporarily dazzle or permanently blind the optics of satellites. The Blue side also had a National Missile Defense system, as well as reusable space planes that could be launched to quickly place new satellites in orbit or repair and refuel ones already there. Veiled comments made by some participants indicated that both sides also possessed the ability to attack each others' computers -- in military parlance, "offensive information warfare capabilities" -- but no one would discuss those. On Monday, as the game began, no conflict had occurred -- or was even inevitable. As Red threatened its neighbor Brown, the first major question that Blue faced was whether to stage a "show of force" in space, akin to sending aircraft carriers to the waters off a regional hot spot. On Day Two of the game, Blue decided to show force by launching more surveillance and communications satellites, making it harder for Red to stage an early knockout attack -- that is, a successful Pearl Harbor. Space gives the United States "more opportunities to demonstrate resolve" without using force, said Maj. Gen. Lance L. Smith, who played the role of commander of a Blue military task force. Asked whether that included taking over Red's broadcast satellites, he said: "Those are the kind of options." On Day Three of the game, privately owned foreign satellites became a key issue. The Blue side asked the foreign firms not to provide services to Red. In response, Red tried to buy up all available services to constrain the U.S. military, which relies heavily on commercial satellites for many of its communications. Red offered to pay far more than is customary. Blue then said it would top Red's offer. The eight people playing the foreign firms responded that they would honor their contracts, which left Blue worried and unhappy. Robert Hegstrom, the game's director, concluded that "dealing with third-party commercial providers is going to be a priority for CincSpace" -- the U.S. commander for space operations. Another lesson of the early friction between Blue and Red was that the Pentagon should prepare plans for what to do if it picks up indications that an adversary is getting ready to shoot blinding laser beams at commercial satellites operated by U.S. firms. Among other things, one official said, the government could tell the American companies to close the "shutters" over the optics on those satellites. For four days, the two sides tiptoed up to the edge of war, but never actually fired a shot. They did come close: At one point, the Red military prepared a plan to fire dozens of nonnuclear missiles at U.S. military installations in Hawaii and Alaska. They calculated that those missiles would use up all the shots the United States had in its missile defense arsenal -- and thereby leave the U.S. homeland open to being hit by subsequent missiles. But the players found that "theater missile defense" -- that is, coverage of a region, usually by U.S. Navy warships -- bolstered deterrence in two ways, by making it harder for Red to attack deployed U.S. forces, and by encouraging U.S. allies to stay in the coalition, which would keep them under the protective umbrella of those ships. Red also launched cyberattacks on U.S. computers, said Miles, the Air Force spokesman, who declined to provide details. Officials were unusually tight-lipped about what actually happened in the game but were willing to describe some of their conclusions. Not surprisingly, they found that many of the weapons on the Air Force's drawing boards -- missile defenses, anti-satellite lasers and "reusable space planes" -- could have a useful role in deterring future wars by discouraging adversaries from thinking they can preemptively knock out the United States. "With a robust force, we can absorb some losses before [the situation] becomes critical," said Hegstrom, the game director. But, he said, with the "thin" space presence the United States will have in 2017 if current trends continue, "it becomes critical to respond almost immediately." Thus a future president might be backed into escalating quickly, launching preemptive strikes against enemy weapons that could attack key U.S. satellites. "Space surprised us a bit" in how much it might help boost deterrence of a future war, said retired Air Force Gen. Thomas S. Moorman Jr., who played part of the Blue team's political leadership. "It turns out that space gives you a lot of options before you have to go to conflict." But generally the players came up with more questions than answers, both about how deterrence might work in the 21st century and how to employ the new weapons the Air Force is contemplating. "We know what deterrence was with 'mutually assured destruction' during the Cold War," said Brig. Gen. Douglas Richardson, commander of the Space Warfare Center. "But what is deterrence in information warfare?" Likewise, said Maj. John Gentry, who played a staff member on the Blue force, the small attack satellites that both sides possessed are only barely understood. "A lot more thinking will have to go into the microsatellite, the concept of operations about how to use it," he said. "I hate to use the word 'paradigm,' but mind-set changes are happening here," added Maj. George Vogen, who helped run the game. "This is the next step in seeing the growth of space into its own right." 2001 The Washington Post Company From JamesOberg@aol.com Mon Jan 29 16:07:01 2001 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:07:01 EST From: JamesOberg@aol.com JamesOberg@aol.com Subject: [FPSPACE] AP: Russian Space Supply Ship Discarded Russian Space Supply Ship Discarded AP-NY-01-29-01 0548EST MOSCOW (AP) - Russian ground controllers discarded a Progress cargo vessel from the Mir space station on Monday by sending it burning into the atmosphere. The maneuver was one of several carried out by Russian space controllers to prepare for the destruction in March of the 15-year-old Mir, which Russian experts have said is now unsafe and too expensive to fix. The Progress M43 had been separated from the uninhabited station using remote controls on Thursday, and flown away from the Mir. When a new cargo vessel successfully docked on Saturday, the old one was no longer any use. On Monday, controllers sent a command to fire the vessel's thrusters and push it into the thicker layers of Earth's atmosphere, said Mission Control spokesman Valery Lyndin. Forty-five minutes later, some debris splashed into the Pacific Ocean east of Australia, he said. The cargo vessels are routinely discarded in this way. But Monday's splashdown was also a dress rehearsal for the more dramatic and technically challenging operation to destroy the Mir, tentatively scheduled for March 6. The 137-ton station will be discarded in the same area of the South Pacific. From lklaes@bbn.com Mon Jan 29 17:19:13 2001 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:19:13 -0500 From: Larry Klaes lklaes@bbn.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Australia and Attracting Old Space Stations What is it about poor Australia that seems to have a bullseye painted on it when it comes to returning old space stations to Earth? Larry From wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Mon Jan 29 18:29:09 2001 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:29:09 -0500 (EST) From: Dwayne Allen Day wayneday@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: [FPSPACE] Australia and Attracting Old Space Stations On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Larry Klaes wrote: > What is it about poor Australia that seems to have a > bullseye painted on it when it comes to returning old > space stations to Earth? If you look at orbital tracks of inclined satellites, you see that it sits on one end of the longest open stretch of water you can get. That said, it's worth asking about the population density of the Australian continent as opposed to others. I wonder how many people per square kilometer there are in Australia vs., say, Africa or Asia? DDAY From svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Mon Jan 29 18:36:38 2001 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:36:38 +0100 From: Sven Grahn svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Subject: [FPSPACE] Pictures from Svobodny To see pictures from the launch preparations for the launch of the Swedish Odin satellite from the Svobodny cosmodrome scheduled for 20 February, go to: http://www.ssc.se/ssd/ Click on "Odin photo album" in the main frame, or "More pictures here" under the picture. You will the come to the "Odin photo album". Scroll down a bit to see the available album pages. Sven ---------------------------------------------------- Mr Sven Grahn | Kettering Group Rattviksvagen 44, S-192 71 Sollentuna, Sweden Tel: +46 8 7541904, svengrahn@wineasy.se http://www.users.wineasy.se/svengrahn/ ---------------------------------------------------- From svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Mon Jan 29 18:36:38 2001 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:36:38 +0100 From: Sven Grahn svengrahn@mail.wineasy.se Subject: [FPSPACE] Pictures from Svobodny To see pictures from the launch preparations for the launch of the Swedish Odin satellite from the Svobodny cosmodrome scheduled for 20 February, go to: http://www.ssc.se/ssd/ Click on "Odin photo album" in the main frame, or "More pictures here" under the picture. You will the come to the "Odin photo album". Scroll down a bit to see the available album pages. Sven ---------------------------------------------------- Mr Sven Grahn | Kettering Group Rattviksvagen 44, S-192 71 Sollentuna, Sweden Tel: +46 8 7541904, svengrahn@wineasy.se http://www.users.wineasy.se/svengrahn/ ---------------------------------------------------- From raoul.lannoy@pandora.be Mon Jan 29 19:26:17 2001 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:26:17 +0100 From: Raoul Lannoy raoul.lannoy@pandora.be Subject: [FPSPACE] Australia and Attracting Old Space Stations They are very lucky, I'd say! They can collect and keep those pieces as souvenirs or sell them to Museums or back to the country that sent the piece. Just imagine: owning a piece that had been in space for 15 years, had been witnessing the lives of hundreds of humans in space!! The population is so scattered (isn't it about 14 million inhabitants for a surface as large as Europe with its 300 million inhabitants?) that it really runs more chances to enjoy a good show than to actually be harmed by it. >What is it about poor Australia that seems to have a >bullseye painted on it when it comes to returning old >space stations to Earth? > >Larry Raoul From susan@atomicsupermen.com Mon Jan 29 20:43:36 2001 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:43:36 -0800 From: Susan Kaltenbach susan@atomicsupermen.com Subject: [FPSPACE] Australia and Attracting Old Space Stations Speaking of Australia, is anyone aware of Mir-spotting jaunts to watch the reentry(ies)? Although it might seem foolish to place yourself in the potential debris trail of a huge mass, I would honestly like to get the chance to say "goodbye" to the old girl by watching her come home. I think most of us have a soft spot for Mir. What do you say, Brett? Put us up down under, will yer? Cheers, Susan (Hubacek) Kaltenbach -----Original Message----- From: fpspace-admin@friends-partners.org [mailto:fpspace-admin@friends-partners.org]On Behalf Of Raoul Lannoy Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 11:26 AM To: fpspace@solar.rtd.utk.edu Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Australia and Attracting Old Space Stations They are very lucky, I'd say! They can collect and keep those pieces as souvenirs or sell them to Museums or back to the country that sent the piece. Just imagine: owning a piece that had been in space for 15 years, had been witnessing the lives of hundreds of humans in space!! The population is so scattered (isn't it about 14 million inhabitants for a surface as large as Europe with its 300 million inhabitants?) that it really runs more chances to enjoy a good show than to actually be harmed by it. >What is it about poor Australia that seems to have a >bullseye painted on it when it comes to returning old >space stations to Earth? > >Larry Raoul _______________________________________________ FPSPACE mailing list FPSPACE@friends-partners.org http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/fpspace From routier@tig.com.au Mon Jan 29 20:51:36 2001 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:51:36 +1100 From: Brett Harrison routier@tig.com.au Subject: [FPSPACE] Australia and Attracting Old Space Stations Raoul Lannoy wrote: > > They are very lucky, I'd say! They can collect and keep those pieces as > souvenirs or sell them to Museums or back to the country that sent the > piece. True! > The population is so scattered (isn't it about 14 million inhabitants for a > surface as large as Europe with its 300 million inhabitants?) that it really > runs more chances to enjoy a good show than to actually be harmed by it. Population is about 20 million these days; we let a few more in. :) Brett Harrison Sydney Australia From routier@tig.com.au Mon Jan 29 21:12:41 2001 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:12:41 +1100 From: Brett Harrison routier@tig.com.au Subject: [FPSPACE] Australia and Attracting Old Space Stations Susan Kaltenbach wrote: > > Speaking of Australia, is anyone aware of Mir-spotting jaunt