Hungarian electronic resources FAQ v0.98.a

Frm: fekete@bcuxs2.bc.edu (Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq)

Sent: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 19:15:32 -0500

This is a substantially modified Part I of the Hungarian electronic
resources FAQ regularly posted to Usenet, a previous version of which
has been submitted some time ago to the email lists concerned
(HUNGARY@GWUVM.BITNET, MIDEUR-L@UBVM.BITNET, CERRO@AEARN.BITNET and
E-EUROPE@PUCC.BITNET). To read Part II get the whole document from the
archives described here.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar,soc.culture.europe,soc.answers,news.answers
Subject: Hungarian electronic resources FAQ
Followup-To: soc.culture.magyar
Reply-To: fekete@bc.edu
Summary: This posting contains information on the use of email,
         other Internet tools and Usenet for persons with interest in
         Hungary, its people and/or language. Autoposted every 3 weeks.

Archive-name: hungarian-faq
Last-modified: 1994/02/19
Version: 0.98.a

This is part 1 of the FAQ for Hungarian news, discussions, and email.
This part identifies what is available and gives basic instructions for
getting it.  Part 2 gives both fuller information and more complete
instructions, as well as tips on how to search electronic archives for
the information stored there.

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# NOTE: Part 2 is included together with part 1 for this interim
# release, expect separate files in the future!
# New in 0.98: outdated FIDO section taken out - disregard the old one!
# .a patched with new HIX info, gophers for HIX, CERRO and VOA,
#  newsgroup access at ELTE and promised bit.listserv.hungary newsgroup
# corrected BBS.OIT.UNC.EDU from the outdated bbs.acs.unc.edu
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 Please note that I threw together the renewed part on gophers rather
hastily (in order to give something for everyone to get started on this
great tool), I would especially welcome comments on how to clarify
that. Part I has been re-edited a lot, so please read through for the
new info (and, likely, more errors ;-)) introduced!

Let me start with the many thanks we all owe to Kent Bales, whose superb
work made me possible to finish the current version. Of course all
errors are still my responsibility. As you may notice the content as
well as the format is still too much in a flux to claim exceeding the
v1.0 limit ;-(, but the upgrade is still free :-).

Updated versions of these Frequently Asked Questions of Hungarian
interest (with some answers) are posted to Usenet (and reposted every
three weeks automatically if there are no changes to them) and
occasionally to the email lists concerned.


NEWS AND DISCUSSION GROUPS

-Q: What services are available in Hungarian language?
-A: A number of them from Hollosi Information Exchange. Recently it
moved onto its own machine: HIX.COM, with the different services
individually addressable (so please forget about the old XMAIL syntax)!

There are six major services (check HELP for others!):

     HIRMONDO     -- daily news (edited in Budapest)
     KEPUJSAG     -- videotext news from Hungarian Television
     SZALON       -- moderated political discussion forum
     FORUM        -- unmoderated political discussion forum
     TIPP         -- politics-free discussion, tips etc.
     MOKA         -- jokes, humor (Hungarian and other)

 To get a long description (more than 600 lines!), send email to
HELP@HIX.COM - the content of these letters are ignored. To
{un}subscribe send email to {un}subs.all@HIX.COM, which refers to all
of TIPP, SZALON, FORUM, KEP and HIRMONDO (ie. *not* all of the
available HIX subscriptions), or to {un}subs.NAME@HIX.COM, where NAME
is any of 'hir', 'kep', 'mozaik', 'tipp', 'szalon', 'forum',
'otthonka', or 'moka'. The postings for the latter five are sent out
daily in digested form. You can send your own submission to
NAME@HIX.COM, where again NAME is to be substituted with the actual
name of what you want to reach.
 Note that if you want to post some request you may have a better
chance to be noticed on the HUNGARY LISTSERV list or the Usenet
newsgroup soc.culture.magyar (see below), than on the overflowing TIPP
(which often digests dozens of messages in hundreds of lines daily)!
The HIX server can also send out archived files (such as this one you
are reading named 'hungarian-faq' in the 'computers' directory), see
the SENDDOC function in its description. In case you have any problems
or questions on the HIX services, please read through the automatic
help response first. If you need human intervention you can reach
supervisor@hix.com - but keep in mind that list managers have to do
plenty other than answering things already laid out in the Fine Manual.

 The above are also available interactively with full-text search
capability through the Internet service gopher. If you know what that
beast is (or dare to try anyway :-)) then enter: gopher HIX.ELTE.HU.
You really should get a program (called a gopher client) to access
these services, if you don't have one yet! To get started, you can
check out comp.infosystems.gopher on Usenet, or its associated FAQ from
SENDDOC computers/gopher.faq. Note that the most recent version of this
FAQ can be gotten through gopher, or via anonymous ftp from the Usenet
FAQ archive: pit-manager.mit.edu, the file is
/pub/usenet/news.answers/gopher-faq. Those without FTP access should
send e-mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with "send
usenet/news.answers/finding-sources" in the body to find out how to do
FTP by e-mail. If you can telnet, try the host
consultant.micro.umn.edu (in Europe use gopher.sunet.se) - or look for
a closer and less overloaded server in Yanoff's INTERNET SERVICES LIST
(which also has more other Internet stuff than you ever wanted to know
:-), available via ftp/gopher csd4.csd.uwm.edu, or email to
bbslist@aug3.augsburg.edu). For email only connection there are
gophermail servers. You can get started by sending mail to
gophermail@ncc.go.jp (or gophermail@calvin.edu) with any or no subject
and any or no message body. GopherMail will reply by sending you it's
main gopher menu. To get detailed help on using gophermail, email
gophermail@ncc.go.jp with 'help' in the Subject: line (the other server
does not seem to support this function).
 There are other valuable documents of Hungarian interest in the
hix.elte.hu gopher archive, as well as links to the growing number of
gopher servers in Hungary. You can start surfing gopherspace at
gopher.elte.hu or sztaki.hu as well.

 Another source is the user-configurable email discussion group AGORA,
distributed by my server ZFIX. To learn about it send email to
AGORA@WORLD.STD.COM with $SEGITS as the Subject (the body of these
messages gets ignored so you'd better not write in there ;-)).

 A third, SZEMLE, digests selected submissions as well as pieces from
other forums in both Hungarian and English.  Write to
UJSAGKER@VUHEPX.PHY.VANDERBILT.EDU for information - to subscribe make
Subject: KELL and include your name and address in the message.

 There are Hungarian local newsgroups (see more on Usenet below)
available through telnet to ludens.elte.hu, login with username GUEST
(no password), and enter NEWS to start the newsreader (you can use the
VMS online help to learn about it). The guest account is set up for
accessing elte.diaklap (students' journal at Eotvos U.), but other
newsgroups are available as well. (But please be considerate to the
strained network resources of Hungarian sites - from abroad for
non-local news use other providers such as BBS.OIT.UNC.EDU shown
below.) For ELTE-specific questions contact hiik@ludens.elte.hu.

-Q: Are there Hungarian-related services primarily in English?
-A: HUNGARY@GWUVM is a discussion group providing rapid communication
among those with interests in Hungarian issues. Subscribe by email from
LISTSERV@GWUVM.BITNET using no subject and a message consisting only of
SUBSCRIBE HUNGARY Yourfirstname Lastname.  Once you have subscribed,
any messages which you want to send to the group should be sent to the
group address, HUNGARY@GWUVM.BITNET. (This pattern of two addresses is
standard: you turn your mail off and on at the "listserv" address, and
you send mail to the listname address.  For example, to  unsubscribe,
send the server the message SIGNOFF HUNGARY.  You can temporarily turn
off you mail by sending listserv the message SET HUNGARY NOMAIL.  SET
HUNGARY MAIL turns mail back on.)

On Usenet there is soc.culture.magyar, mostly in English, sometimes
bilingual, and occasionally Hungarian only. If you're not using Usenet,
ask around your site -- it's available on many Internet hosts on what
normally is known as the network news service. If you're under Unix, try
the newsreaders rn, nn, vn or trn; under other operating systems it may
be NEWSREADER or a similar name. If you don't have local access, try
TELNET BBS.OIT.UNC.EDU (or the LAUNCHPAD.UNC.EDU alias; note that
the old bbs.acs.unc.edu is no longer operative) or
FREENET-IN-A.CWRU.EDU, where you can request a permanent guest account
with Usenet privileges (among other things).

Use FTP to learn more about Usenet from the archive site RTFM.MIT.EDU
(starting with the file /pub/usenet/news.answers/news-answers-intro,
which lists a number of alternative archives located in Europe as
well). If you do not have anonymous FTP access, you can access the
archives by mail server as well. To learn how, see Part Two of this FAQ
or send an email message to MAIL-SERVER@RTFM.MIT.EDU with HELP and
INDEX on separate lines of the body (make sure you put the dash in the
address above!).

NOTE: RTFM used to be called differently, please use this new address
instead of the old one that's being phased out!

NEWS AND DISCUSSION OF EAST CENTRAL EUROPE

-Q: Are there reports and discussions about Hungary in its political and
geographical contexts?
-A: Several. You can get daily transcripts of Radio Free Europe news
from LISTSERV@UBVM.BITNET by sending the message SUBSCRIBE RFERL-L
Yourfirstname Lastname.  (Hungarian items in the RFE news are sometimes
excerpted on Usenet's soc.culture.magyar.)  The listserv at Buffalo
also will subscribe you to the Middle European discussion list MIDEUR-L
or to POLAND-L or SLOVAK-L.  Send the usual SUBSCRIBE Command.  On
Usenet there is soc.culture.romanian, soc.culture.czecho-slovak,
soc.culture.polish, and the gatewayed misc.news.east-europe.rferl,
bit.listserv.mideur-l and bit.listserv.slovak-l (establishing
bit.listserv.hungary is underway, it may show up on your news server
soon).  The Central European Regional Research Organization (CERRO) can
be joined at LISTSERV@AEARN with the command SUBSCRIBE CERRO-L
Firstname Lastname.  This is a scholarly group that deposits papers and
the like in an electronic archive in Vienna.  The archive is accessible
with anonymous FTP at wu-wien.ac.at, or with gopher at
gopher.wu-wien.ac.at. A repository for Voice of America material
accessible with gopher, gopher.voa.gov also contains some information
and news items relevant to the region.

-Q: What are the network connections with Hungary, including BBS
networks such as FidoNet?
-A: There are four network domains: kfki.hu (Central Research Institute
for Physics), elte.hu (Eotvos University), sztaki.hu and all other *.hu
addresses (Hungarian Academy of Sciences), and huearn.bitnet and
huella.bitnet (also H.A.S.).  FidoNet connects through sztaki.hu, as
indicated above.

 Email is usually fast if you have the right address. For Internet
mailings, don't forget to add a "hu" at the end for Hungary (eg.:
correspondent@ella.hu); for Bitnet addresses, "Hungary" is in the
nodename (ex.: correspondent@huella).
(Note: huella.bitnet and ella.hu are equivalent.)

 There are three FidoNet nodes: Budapest NET (2:371/0); West Hungary Net
(2:372/0); and Tisza NET (2:370/0). If you want to write on the
FidoNet, chances are you already know how. *PLEASE* find out what you
are about to do instead of experimenting with the Hungarian net - don't
add to the problems for the folks in Hungary having to deal with the
underdeveloped phone system and outrageous international tolls ;-<. For
further information I post a Fido-sheet separately from this FAQ, where
there are also telephone numbers and further addresses, but again: try
to verify that you are mailing to a valid address (the BBS situation
may have changed since the copy you are reading got updated - look for
current FIDO listing on the net, or better yet contact the person you
want to reach by other means first)!. If you can send Internet email
and have the FidoNet address, you can write to it by transforming it to
appropriate .FIDONET.ORG format.

-Q: How do you contact someone in Hungary by email?
-A: If you don't know the address, ask by using the old technology of
pen, paper, and postage stamp (or telephone).
 There are attempts to establish directory services in Hungary but
their availability to the outside world has seemed sporadic so far. At
the moment your best bet is to use HIX's RADIR database - see above.
Requesting it via email with SENDDOC should be your last resort given
its huge size and unwieldy structure, but you may be able to search
more easily online with gopher.
 Alternatively you might check out Radir's user list (HIX's
SENDDOC feature will tell you how) or send an inquiry to a discussion
group. Readers of Usenet's soc.culture.magyar and Bitnet's HUNGARY
discussion list may be able to help. Or you can send a query to the
postmaster of the Hungarian network or local server.  (See Part Two of
this FAQ for help.)

-Q: How are Hungarian accented letters usually represented?
-A: There are a number of solutions, mostly based on TeX. For starters
check out SENDDOC programs etex.Z and hion.Z from HIX (see above) and
also the babel system for LaTeX with Hungarian specific option,
available
from FTP sites kth.se or goya.dit.upm.es. Most commonly, a long vowel is
marked with the numeral 1 (hi1d), a short "umlaut" with a 2, and a long
one with a 3 (o3ru2lt).

HOW TO IMPROVE THIS FAQ

-Q: How should I send suggestions, hatemail etc. concerning this FAQ?
-A: I hereby solicit any additions, corrections, suggestions or
questions.
My primary email address is fekete@bc.edu. *Please* note that due to the
high volume of email messages without informative SUBJECT: lines get
deleted without reading (and putting READ THIS won't do any good ;-) )!

Begin the SUBJECT: line with the string ZFIX$KERDES (followed by a
descriptive subject of your choice) to enable automatized mail handling.

-- Zoli Fekete, email: fekete@bc.edu (preferred, or fekete@bcvms.bc.edu)
               alternative addresses: at530 on the Cleveland Freenet
                       Zoli.Fekete@lambada.oit.unc.edu on the UNC BBS
"For my assured failures and derelictions, I ask pardon beforehand of my
betters and my equals in my calling." - Rudyard Kipling