Digest for 97-08-19

                          Table of Contents


01-19 August 97  Sender:  bog@minyos.its.rmit.edu.au
                 Subject: from Alex

02-19 August 97  Sender:  russianl@netcom.ca
                 Subject: from Masha Hvostova:-)

03-19 August 97  Sender:  Fik.Fine@Pointer.wahid.com
                 Subject: from Taufik

04-19 August 97  Sender:  aribella@hotmail.com
                 Subject: from Myza Hill

05-19 August 97  Sender:  vlad.b@usa.net
                 Subject: from Vladik

07-19 August 97  Sender:  shaman@cnw.com
                 Subject: from Gerri


01-19 August 97  Sender:  Bill Fick (bill@samovar.ru)
                 Subject: American Chamber of Commerce in Russia
                          seeks Executive Director

02-19 August 97  Sender:  Jimmy Liu (liujiang@pacific.net.sg)
                 Subject: Want to know more russian

03-19 August 97  Sender:  Anna Miller (Anna.Miller@globalone.net)
                 Subject: Scholarships

04-19 August 97  Sender:  Jean Nostrand (jeen@earthlink.net)
                 Subject: Lotus Blossoms - Volga River Delta

05-19 August 97  Sender:  Steve Marsden (herbal@dialnet.net)
                 Subject: Weather info

06-19 August 97  Sender:  "Andrey Ozharovskii" (zarov@host.cis.lead.org)
                 Subject: Seminar in Novorossiysk announcement-2

07-19 August 97  Sender:  Dutch50184@aol.com
                 Subject: Can you help please?

08-19 August 97  Sender:  ilya_shl@MIT.EDU
                 Subject: geographical coordinates of Russian and
                          American cities & towns

09-19 August 97  Sender:  lmc@dmc10.com
                 Subject: Quality Engineering

10-19 August 97  Sender:  "PatDwight" (pdwight@grnlt.com)
                          SPEAKING PERSON

11-19 August 97  Sender:  Barb Stuart (bstuart@dnvr.uswest.net)
                 Subject: your page

12-19 August 97  Sender:  hwchae (hwchae@certcc.or.kr)
                 Subject: law on cryptography

13-19 August 97  Sender:  John Walker (jwalker@TOR.HOOKUP.NET)
                 Subject: A little something to think about.
                          (X-Post COMMUNET)

14-19 August 97  Sender:  mvs3@po.CWRU.Edu (Maxim V. Soloviev)
                 Subject: Best International Phone Rates

15-19 August 97  Sender:  civilsoc@solar.cini.utk.edu
                 Subject: CIVILSOC digest 558 (fwd) (X-post civilsoc)

APPENDIX:        LISTSERV address & basic procedures


** 01 **********************************************************************

Sender:  bog@minyos.its.rmit.edu.au
Subject: from Alex

Hey everybody, Hello to all of ya from Melbourne, Australia
I reckon this page is cool. Take care. Privet Vsem.

** 02 **********************************************************************

Sender:  russianl@netcom.ca
Subject: from Masha Hvostova:-)


Anyone from Yaroslavl can contact me at my new E-Mail address.  This is a
great web site.  I want to converst with Russian in Yaroslavl Region.

Dusvedonnya Commrades

** 03 **********************************************************************

Sender:  Fik.Fine@Pointer.wahid.com
Subject: from Taufik

My name's Taufiq Ismail.  I studied Russian Language and Literature for
about 6 years in Padjadjaran University, Bandung, Indonesia.  Now i'm
looking for new 'Russian Friends' and I'm happy if you can send me your
first E-mail and we can talk more about your country and mine.

Spasiba ! Dasvidaniya !

** 04 **********************************************************************

Sender:  aribella@hotmail.com
Subject: from Myza Hill

Greetings everyone...well i would like help finding about my name.  Ive
heard it is a Russian last name but im not too sure.If anyone has any info
please email me.And if you just want a pen pal write to.

Myza Hill

** 05 **********************************************************************

Sender:  vlad.b@usa.net
Subject: from Vladik

Hello !  My name is Vladik.I think that there are many pupils in our school
of different age and with different interests who would like to have

If you want to have a penpal in Ukraine,write something about yourself to
me and I'll help you.

e-mail: vlad.b@usa.net

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Sender:  shaman@cnw.com
Subject: from Gerri

I am hoping to make contact with someone from the town of Rudya-Marymonava,
about 12 miles southeast of Homiel.  My grandfather Ippolit Ivanovitch
Schak (Szakala?) came to the US in 1913 when he was 16 years old.  All
contact with his family was lost after the war.  Although he passed away, I
hope to continue this seach for him.  He came with older companions, most
of them I believe returned to Russia to fight in World War 1.  Their names
were Rudacoff, Petrusenko, Satyrev, Marimonov, and Mairov.  If anyone could
forward this to someone in the town of Rudnya, I would be forever greatful.
I would like to make contact with anyone in the Homiel area to learn more
of it's history.  Wonderful page!!!



Please continue to send your e-mail to friends@solar.rtd.utk.edu.

** 01 **********************************************************************

Sender:  Bill Fick (bill@samovar.ru)
Subject: American Chamber of Commerce in Russia seeks Executive Director

The American Chamber of Commerce in Russia is presently accepting
applications for the position of Executive Director.  For more information,
see the announcement on AmCham's website at

** 02 **********************************************************************

Sender:  Jimmy Liu (liujiang@pacific.net.sg)
Subject: Want to know more russian

Hi, I am Jimmy Liu from Singapore, unlike Russia, here is very hot and
humid, I am recently very interested in Russia and the culture there,
anyone want to be my penpal?  You can send E-mail to "friver@hotmail.com"

Wish you all the best!

** 03 **********************************************************************

Sender:  Anna Miller (Anna.Miller@globalone.net)
Subject: Scholarships

Hello everyone,

I have a friend in Unkraine who would like to come and study in the USA.
I know that nationals of the former Soviet Union can get scholarships
through USAID or may be other organizations. Does anyone know how to get
more information on this issue? Where in Kiev (I assume) or in USA can
my friend apply for such scholarship. She would like to get a graduate
degree, probably MBA.

Thank you.



** 04 **********************************************************************

Sender:  Jean Nostrand (jeen@earthlink.net)
Subject: Lotus Blossoms - Volga River Delta

Help.  My husband and I want to visit the delta region of the Volga
River as it enters the Caspian Sea when the lotus flowers bloom.  We
believe that this occurs in the month of July.  Any information would be
helpful to us.  We intend to visit Russia next summer (1998). Thanks.
Jean Nostrand  jeen@earthlink.com

** 05 **********************************************************************

Sender:  Steve Marsden (herbal@dialnet.net)
Subject: Weather info

I'm looking for 5 year weather stats for Kemerovo, Russia.  Do you know
where I may find this info?  You may contact me at: Herbal@dialnet.net

Stephen Marsden, Ag Consultant
http://www.HerbalAdvantage.com        Herbal@dialnet.net

Herbal Advantage, Inc.      Order desk: 800-753-9199
Route 3, Box 93             Phone:  417-753-4000
Rogersville, MO 65742-9214  Fax:  417-753-2000

** 06 **********************************************************************

Sender:  "Andrey Ozharovskii" (zarov@host.cis.lead.org)
Subject: Seminar in Novorossiysk announcement-2

Dear friends,

On August 8 I put an announcement of an environmental  Seminar in
Novorossiysk. Unfortunately due to a technical failure my server was
down last week and I couldn't get your applications. Please, write

Sincerely yours,
president of the International Discussion Club - Moscow
Andrey Ozharovskii.

The International Discussion Club has the honor to announce an
international seminar "Social Activism in Practical Urban
Environmental Projects". The seminar is to be held on October 6-12 in
Novorossiysk, the largest Russian industrial city and port on the
Black sea.

The seminar has the aim of bringing together representatives of
different sectors of society (NGO, science, municipal administration,
universities, charitable foundations) from different countries and of
sharing their experience in implementating urban environmental

The seminar will concentrate on practical urban environmental
projects - creation, protection and upkeep of city parks, botanical
gardens, arboretums, etc. Both practical and institutional aspects of
this problem will be discussed. A project "Arboretum in Novorossiysk"
which is being implemented by a local initiative group with the
support of the city administration and Leadership for Environment and
Development foundation will be analyzed as a case study.

The seminar program will give the participants an opportunity to
communicate with professors and students from the local university
and even to make their own presentations for local activists.
Site visits and an excursion to a famous vineyard of Abrau Durso is
on the agenda as well.

Further information available at Web Site:
or on request to zarov@host.cis.lead.org

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Sender:  Dutch50184@aol.com
Subject: Can you help please?


I have travelled to the former Soviet Union more than a dozen times in the
past 4 years and have made many friends there.  I married a girl from Riga
in the Baltics

We would like very much to get a lsit of websites where could email and
chat with young Russians.  Any English language "chat rooms" over there?  I
can do OK in simple spoken Russian but haven't learned Cyrillic.  Elena has
no problems of course.

I also have several friends who would be VERY interested in connecting with
marriage minded young ladies.  They met my jena and ochin enrivisa.  Any
help please?


** 09 **********************************************************************

Sender:  ilya_shl@MIT.EDU
Subject: geographical coordinates of Russian and American cities & towns

Hi all,

I was wondering if somebody here might know the answer to this question:
where can I find the geographical coordinates (longitude & latitude)
of Russian & American cities and towns in _computer-readable_ form?
I need to be able to determine, from a cgi script, whether two cities/towns
are close together, given their names.  Is there a service somewhere on the
net that could help?  I'm even willing to pay something for such data,
but would much prefer for it to be free (it's for a completely
non-profit project).

I'd be very grateful for any hints/pointers.


ilya_shl@mit.edu (please reply directly to this address)

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Sender:  lmc@dmc10.com
Subject: Quality Engineering

Please excuse the intrusion.  Your name was linked to a quality engineering
web site and I was hoping you could help me out.

I'm looking to hire a degreed engineer with Quality Engineering experience
in high volume manufacturing environment.  Must know SPC, ISO's or
equivalent.  We will pay for move to North Carolina, compensation ranges to
$60,000 (that buys a lot of stuff in NC) very stable company with well
planned growth history.  Excellent benefits and retirement program.

If you know anyone, I can be reached at:
Voice (609) 584-9000ext216
Fax: (609) 584-9575
Email: lmc@dmc10.com

Thanks,    Larry Chiaravallo

** 11 **********************************************************************

Sender:  "PatDwight" (pdwight@grnlt.com)

August 13, 1997


I saw your Russian WWW Resource listing on the Web today.

My advertising and PR firm is based in Orange County, Califiornia.  We are
seeking someone who could help us with a project.  The individual must read
and write Russian (and of course English) and have some background in
advertising and marketing.

If you could provide a referral or direct me to a list of local club
members here in our area, I would be thrilled.

Thank you in advance for your help...our quest has been unfruitful thus

Pat Dwight
PR Manager
GreenLight Communications
366 San Miguel, Ste. 200
Newport Beach, CA 92660

Telephone:   714/719-6400
FAX:            714/719-6414
e-mail:   pdwight@grnlt.com

** 12 **********************************************************************

Sender:  Barb Stuart (bstuart@dnvr.uswest.net)
Subject: your page

I have been working on an interactive web site called Shalom/Salaam, but
it is a tiny effort compared to your work.

I have a micro ? for you and don't know if/where it is appropriate. I am
a Fulbright scholar to St. petersburg Russia in ~ Jan 1998 to SPSU.
I've been invited to teach in the conlfictology program (I teach
conflict resolution, leadership, group dynamics etc) and perhaps the
School of Management.  I would like to find an English speaking school
for my 15 year old honors teenage daughter.  She's in the International
Bacalaureate (sp?) here - do you have any suggestions for where to
search or chat?

Thank you.  I'm sure I'll visit your site again, perhaps I can
incorporate it into my grad class in group dynamics syll?

Best regards,
Barb Stuart

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Sender:  hwchae (hwchae@certcc.or.kr)
Subject: law on cryptography

I am working for Korea Information Security Agency(KISA) which is
government affiliated organization. KISA is prime information security
organization in Korea. KISA is R&D organization include developing
information security policies.

I am in the process of  researching other nations law on cryptography.
And the results will be used in developing Korean cryptography. I am
looking for G8 nation's law on crytography and I can't get a  hold of
Russia's law on cryptography. If you have them on hand or know how I
get, please send me the text of bill by e-mail or fax(I need the
original text of bill, not article). If I have to charge, I will. Fax
number is 3488-4109. I will be very appreciated.

** 14 **********************************************************************

Sender:  John Walker (jwalker@TOR.HOOKUP.NET)
Subject: A little something to think about.
         (X-Post COMMUNET (community networking listserver))

A little something to think about.

If we could shrink the Earth's population to a village of precisely
100 people. With all existing human ratios remaining the same, it
would look like this:

There would be 57 Asians, 21 Europeans, 14 from the Western
Hemisphere (North and South) and 8 Africans.

51 would be female; 49 would be male

70 would be non-white; 30 white.

70 would be non-Christian; 30 Christian.

50% of the entire world's wealth would be in the hands of only 6
people and all 6 would be citizens of the United States.

80 would live in substandard housing.

70 would be unable to read.

50 would suffer from malnutrition.

1 would be near death , 1 would be near birth

Only 1 would have a college education.

No one would own a computer

When one considers our world from such an incredibly compressed
perspective, the need for both tolerance and understanding becomes
glaringly apparent.....

Courtesy the Parkinson's List.

Excerpt from CSS Internet News (tm)
For subscription details email
jwalker@tor.hookup.net with
subject line.

** 15 **********************************************************************

Sender:  mvs3@po.CWRU.Edu (Maxim V. Soloviev)
Subject: Best International Phone Rates

You know CYBERLINK -- the  American telecommunications company with the
lowest international calling FLAT (24 hours a day!) rates.

        Russia -        $.68 / min;
        Ukraine -       $.65 / min;
        Belarus -       $.74 / min;
        Azerbaijan -    $.59 / min;
        Lithania -      $.62 / min;
        Latvia -        $.49 / min;
        Estonia -       $.46 / min;
        Australia -     $.28 / min;
        Denmark -       $.27 / min;
        France -        $.33 / min;
        Hungary -       $.42 / min;
        Poland -        $.51 / min;
        Romania -       $.65 / min;
        Singapore -     $.32 / min;
        Sweeden -       $.22 / min...

Super-low rates apply 24 hours a day, 7 days a week,
billing increments is in 6 seconds instead of whole minutes. Best of
all, there are NO HIDDEN CHARGES: no access fees, per-call fees,
monthly fees, sign-up fees, peak-period surcharges, etc.

Calling Card is the major advantage of Cyberlink. The same
rates and absolutely no surcharges.

Note: BERLINK is an add-on service and you DO NOT CHANGE your
current long-distance company.  Everything will remain the same;
you will only need to follow a special procedure to make
your international calls (dial 800 #).

Please inquire  mvs3@po.cwru.edu  or  (888) 231-2857

** 16 **********************************************************************

Sender:  civilsoc@solar.cini.utk.edu
Subject: CIVILSOC digest 558

  (X-post civilsoc)

CIVILSOC Digest 558

Topics covered in this issue include:

1) INTERNSHIP OPPORTUNITY IN SIBERIA by From (decie@echo.krasnoyarsk.su)

Internship Opportunity in Siberia -- Academic Year 1997 - 1998

Educated  Choices Heighten Opportunities, Inc. (ECHO) is  seeking candidates
for an internship position at its Center for Community Partnerships in
Krasnoyarsk, Russia. The suggested  period  for  this position  is  from
October 8, 1997, to June 8,  1998.   Specific starting and ending dates are

This  is a volunteer position.  Costs of non-housing living expenses and health
insurance are the responsibility of the intern.  ECHO will cover medivac
insurance and  housing expenses in Russia.  Travel expenses to and from
Krasnoyarsk are the responsibility of the intern with the possibility of
financial assistance by ECHO.

The  intern  will help carry out project activities  and  program development
as well as provide general  administrative  support.  Examples of specific
duties are contributing to the quarterly newsletter, preparation and support
work for seminars and trainings (especially an intensive year long training of
a democractic teachers corps in the Krasnoyarsk Krai), doing site visits in the
Krai for the intensive teacher training program, conducting ECHO's
pro-active civics seminars at local schools, monitoring the resource center,
orienting new users to the resource center, fielding public queries,  and some
miscellaneous administrative support work.

During the course of the internships, a candidate will be expected to work
20 - 30 hours a week.  Scheduling of these  hours  is flexible.

Candidate should have or currently be pursuing a bachelor's or master's degree
in Russian studies preferably with a humanitarian focus and possess strong
conversational skills in Russian.  Office  experience including work with
Microsoft Windows  is strongly  desired.   Successful applicants need  to  be
flexible self-starters with good organizational skills and the ability  to
work on several assignments at the same time.  Candidates with a strong sense
of social justice and experience in social activism will be preferred.

Interested individuals should E-MAIL a cover letter, resume and list of
references to:

                   Al Decie, Project Director
                           ECHO, Inc.
                          P.O. Box 27027
                   Krasnoyarsk, Russia  660077
                     Tel: (7-3912) 55-33-73
               E-mail:  decie@echo.krasnoyarsk.su

The  dealine for submission of expressions of interests is  September 5, 1997.
ECHO is a U.S. nonprofit organization with offices in Novosibirsk and
Krasnoyarsk, Siberia, and Yarmouth, Maine,  and  substantial contacts and/or
affiliated project offices in over a dozen  additional cities throughout
Siberia.  ECHO is dedicated to  supporting democratic and economic reform in
Siberia through  grassroots civil society development.  Over the past six
years, in response to  needs observed first-hand by ECHO's full-time staff in
Siberia, ECHO has provided support, including education, information
dissemination and access to the Internet, to individuals,  educational
institutions and non-governmental organizations, as  well as business and
government representatives.

End of CIVILSOC Digest 558

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